Thank u professor a high compliment coming from u sir!

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I know nothing about these systems but looking at the price, seems like they should be very competitive with the old PC technology. Is there any tuning equipment carried on the bike at all, or is it all software that you load up to your laptop to reprogram the stock ECU?

Reflash of stock ECU, nothing to add, you're basically rearranging a whole bunch of ones and zeros inside that bad boys memory chip, that's it.

I think this is a much better solution then the PC which is a serial or piggyback device, adds weight, extra connectors and wires and adds additional failure nodes. The PC is also very limited in what it can do which is basically trim fuel delivery, pretty crude when you think about it.

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Don't pick on wolf because he's Canadian ,He's my sister.......We're really worried about her

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Thanks for the concern Darryle. I worry about you too particularly in times you could bang your head on the foot pegs.

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LOL a short joke lol, but thanks for the info Justin! Gotta love this!!!

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Some of the coolest people on earth are short.

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I think this is a much better solution then the PC which is a serial or piggyback device, adds weight, extra connectors and wires and adds additional failure nodes. The PC is also very limited in what it can do which is basically trim fuel delivery, pretty crude when you think about it.

Tuning is something I am just about to get into this coming season. I have AutoTune and a PCV which is capable of holding mutiple maps that tune for specific gear, engine speed, even specific cylinders can tuned independently of the others. Yes it is extra weight and extra wires but even Romans said that with flashing, you still need the PCV. I can't see why but like I said, I don't know anything about this yet.

...so with a the Woolich system, there must be some kind of box to gather data from an o2 sensor. When it comes to AFR tuning (which must be the most significant aspect of tuning, I would think) is there any real dif in the stuff carried on the bike with a Woolich system or a dynojet self tuning system? I'm not disputing that changing the fuel trims in the ECU is more direct and there certainly is a lot of value to being able to reprogram other aspects of the ECU (such as rev limit). I don't see how the basic AFR tuning is improved over what we have had in the past few years though. I've been told the trims being changed in the ECU is better but as far as I can tell I do not have any sort of delay because my fuel trims are stored in my PC which overrides the ECU fuel trims.

* Last updated by: Rook on 2/7/2014 @ 1:40 PM *

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Wolf, yep I like my women kinda short (tossable in the bed) lol. Rook I just think it depends alot on what your gonna be ding with teh bike, I hear the drag racers running the flash with the pcv because it is easier to make changes at the track but a street guy like myself would not need that level of adjustability for what I do so maybe I can get by with a flash. My 2 cents

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Rook, I have experience only with the PC3 but this is the first I've heard of having to use a PC in addition to a reflash.The guys I've talked to on the ZX-10R site are simply getting the Guhl or ECU Unleashed reflash done to match their aftermarket pipe and going to town.

What may be happening is it is easier to tune with the DynoJet tuning link on the dyno whereas with the reflash it might require experimenting with inputting different values and then checking your AFR with a wideband O2 sensor while under load either on a dyno or ideally on the road or track.

If you can't tune with a reflash then I'm missing the point unless all you want to do is reset the speed limiter, rev limiter, fuel shutoff etc.

I don't claim to be an expert, maybe Ivan or Woolich can answer these questions.

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This actually brings up the point why I didn't jump on the reflash band wagon with my 10R. For example, there were horror stories when a certain ECU flasher who's name will go unmentioned, botched up a couple of ECUs on the 10R forum.

One guys bike wouldn't start after the flash, turns out his ECU mapping was erased, another guys ran like caca and both asked for a refund.

I need to really know that the tuner knows what he's doing to have confidence in letting them mess with my ECU. I trust Ivan, he doesn't release anything unless it's been thoroughly tested.

The exact opposite was my experience with Jeffo where he produced a map for by CBR1000RR over the phone. I lost confidence in the guy really quick and then when Monsters Jeffo tune turned his 14 into a flame thrower I bailed. Others seemed to have better luck with Jeffo and I don't wish to restart that old thread.

The bottom line is that just because someone has the software to reprogram the ECU doesn't mean he has the knowledge to do it safely. Just my .02

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Rook, I have experience only with the PC3 but this is the first I've heard of having to use a PC in addition to a reflash.The guys I've talked to on the ZX-10R site are simply getting the Guhl or ECU Unleashed reflash done to match their aftermarket pipe and going to town.

This sounds like they are using a map rather than doing a custome tune. I had a map in my 14 and it worked good. the Autotune adjustment I did made it better.

The Woolich product has been referred to as a logbox or a datalogger so I am thinking the Woolich users are tuning, not just loading up a map that was made on some other ZX-14 with similar mods.

What is the Woolich and what exactly does it do? Is it a Module on the bike like a PC? Is it just software you have on a laptop that you hook up to your ECU to flash? Is it a datalogger? is it all of these things?

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Sorry for the delay in responding, I have been at the dyno tuning a ZX10R for the Australian Superbikes the last couple of days... The bike tuned up really well using only ECU flashing, We modified Fuel, Ignition and Secondary Throttle maps, as well as various other settinges. The team is very happy with the results.
You can read more about it on our facebook page https://www.facebook.com/WoolichRacing/posts/10203102997638505

What is the Woolich and what exactly does it do? Is it a Module on the bike like a PC? Is it just software you have on a laptop that you hook up to your ECU to flash? Is it a datalogger? is it all of these things?

We have just released for pre sale the Log Box Pro (Mitsubishi). This is an all in one unit that allows you to Read/Write to the ECU, Monitor real time engine data on your computer direct from the ECU when you are on the dyno, and most importantly it allows you to fit a Wideband O2 sensor which feeds AFR directly into the Log Box Pro which is logged along with Engine Data. This data can then be used within our Woolich Racing Tuned software to easily tune the fuel maps.

The Log Box Pro is not an add on module, in that it allows you to flash the changes directly to the ECU. So once you have tuned the bike you can remove it from the bike. When you want to tune again you just plug it in and log more data and tune using the latest data. This allows you to tune with actual real world data taken from the road or track, so all the various factors like Ram Air and other bike dynamics are taken into account when you are turning. And you are tuning the fuel maps directly inside the ECU.

We have had the Log Box (Denso) for Suzuki's available for a few years now and it works exceptionally well, we have all sorts of customers using the technology to tune their bikes, everything from world record holding Land Speed Racing bikes, 7 second pro street turbo drag bikes, to domestic superbike teams, and of course many regular road/track riders. You can read about some of our customers on our Testimonials Page

The cool thing about the Log Box is that it allows you to tune yourself, it makes it really easy to get a bike specific tuned ECU flash for your individual bike.

* Last updated by: jkwool on 2/7/2014 @ 6:48 PM *

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Cool, indeed. Thank you for the detailed explanation Mr. Woolich.

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Mr Woollinski you thread has died
Perhaps you. Auzzies rip your rides
Aussie burn and Auzzie sun,
Burn a line and make a run

Performance tuners supply our need
20 bucks fills a tank like speed
Sell me more of that new Crunk you got
Roll a joint and burn some pot

Do you rip and do you ride
Behind a white lab coat do you hid?
Do you hooligan out and rip the scene
Mr wool what do you do behind the screen

Do you push them numbers in those cells
Algorithm toil or do you actually rip the relm
Are you nerd sir, or hooligan
Posing here as brothers grim?

How old are you and what's your age
Regardless of that you can't hang with me at any stage
Devour you whole and spit you out
Declare surrender you shall shout

So is it true that you ride hard core?
What's your age and what's you track time score?
Who is this man selling the logo box
Can I trust him or is he a fox?v

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ha ha ha ha, you really are going stir crazy in the northern hemisphere cold :)

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Hey JK ok I'll spell it out..

My question.
1How old are you
2 what do you ride
3 are you a hooligan.

Thanks (coles notes)
Wolfman

Ps if you think this is bad read Call of the Wild on general 14 threads.

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Oh and just to share
Wolfman is 41
I ride a zx 14r
And a hooligan to the core!

Getting to know you getting to know all about You....

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1) In my late 30 somethings
2) I have a 2012 ZX10R and a 2008 Suzuki B-King
3) The hooligan is strong in this one

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Oh thank God!
Now the thread can continue to prosper.
May the force be with you!

This message was brought to you by Wolfman a disciple of the 14r and eater of zx 10r's and Bkings!

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Ps if I was not 6 foot 3 and 255lbs. I'd be on a zx 10r tooo. Nice choice of weapon!

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I am also 6' 3" and about 220 lbs, but the ZX10R fits me pretty well for track days and mountain runs. The b-king is the city hooligan bike, big torque, geared down a bit, not much touches it in traffic light drags and its easy to wheelie through the gears ;)

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My summer weight is about 225lbs. This means with gear I am 240. Winter is fatten up time and lift weights time. Summer I lean. My legs are really long Wool, so sitting on a zx 10 is cramped like phuck. How you do it. I don't know, but good on yah.

Mad Love Wooly!
Wolfdaddybigpoppa!

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yeah i got long ass legs as well, can be hard to find a spot for them on the ZX10, i didnt say i looked good on it, but goin fast aint about lookin good is it :)

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The latest gen ZX-10 in black would be my next bike if I had the money for it. with Austin Racing exhaust and some BST wheels. That is TOTAL sickness.

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Yeah they look good in black, but its a Kawasaki, i had to get a green one, i have a Graves full system, looks good and adds some good mid range torque. BST wheels are sick!

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