Nice! (Looks real familiar):)

Woolich finally replied:

Hi, have not really looked at that particular map share for some time, it appears as though something was not right with the fuel unification as there should not have been any changes to fuel maps. I have fixed it up behind the scenes. Also revisited the STP maps as there were a couple of irregularities in there as well.

Please go to "Account"=>"Download MapShares" to refresh it on your computer.

Thanks for pointing it out.

I let them know that the Safety Ignition map still looks slightly off from the Full Power map... Not sure if this was intentional.

* Last updated by: roadczar on 5/8/2015 @ 7:10 AM *

Safety Ignition map still looks slightly off from the Full Power map... Not sure if this was intentional.

Lots of slightly off with that map. Makes no sense.

Nice bikes guys, I keep looking at Busa pics I may have to get one. Hang on, head shake lol. Can't do the camel Hump in the back Lol. Although I have seen a few at RCC with GSXR 1000 Ass Ends installed, looks wicked IMO.

If they come out with a 1500 this year I may have to try it out

Roadczar, I owned this one for couple of months. Wife made me sell it for a Horse if you can believe that. Horse two months later got sick and died. Carma Maybe.

I wish now I kept it

* Last updated by: Romans on 5/9/2015 @ 6:27 AM *

Having owned some gsxr family replica bikes I would say Kaw is a brand loyalty thing for me. So even if a 1500 rears its head. I'm sticking to Kaw.

Didn't know about the horse. Man. Talk about bad luck!
How is the other project going? She breathing fire yet?

How is the other project going? She breathing fire yet?

Yes, She Lives. Now Ready for Road testing.

Swapped the Walbro 255 litre per min fuel pump to a new 320 litres per min AEM in tank pump. This along with a set of 14R 390cc injectors. With this Fueling set up this bike should run 12-lbs of Boost with Ease. Removed the touring kit, now bleeding brakes and clutch. Bike will be well over 300hp with 17/45 Gearing on a Stock Length swing Arm. Talk about a accident waiting to happen. I'm scared to Map it lol

Lots of slightly off with that map. Makes no sense.
Roadczar, I owned this one for couple of months. Wife made me sell it for a Horse if you can believe that. Horse two months later got sick and died. Carma Maybe.

I wish now I kept i

Sorry, but had to LOL on that one.

Lots of slightly off with that map. Makes no sense.

The updated map looks much better! Did you look at it?

Having owned some gsxr family replica bikes I would say Kaw is a brand loyalty thing for me. So even if a 1500 rears its head. I'm sticking to Kaw.

No brand loyalty here... I'm function over form, brand agnostic.

"Double R uses Gibson guitars, Line 6 amps, and CRC penetrating oil."

"Squidcitycycles uses snap-on tools, a test light, and Magic Mystery Oil for the air gun."

Romes, where did you find 390cc? Where is that cross reference chart or how do you decipher the injector letters/#'s/body colors and those code?

Romans please don't remain silent on this thread, no matter who it ticks off please

"Lots of slightly off with that map. Makes no sense.
Roadczar, I owned this one for couple of months. Wife made me sell it for a Horse if you can believe that. Horse two months later got sick and died. Carma Maybe.

I wish now I kept i
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Sorry, but had to LOL on that one.

Lmao, believe me when I say, I had one hell of a stomach gut wrenching laugh myself. Not where anyone could see me of course.

It's not that hate horses, but they bite and do not come with brakes. Also 700 dollars a month for stable fees is ..... Crazy Money owning a horse,,,, I will miss it NOT !

No brand loyalty here... I'm function over form, brand agnostic

2ND, The minute someone else shows up with their A Game raising the bar new jacket goes on. I like all bikes but I only buy the best ones. For me right now Kawi has the win. With their introduction of the H2 I think kawi will stay on top for awhile in the super Bike segment. When and If they get lazy and rest on old tech and I'm gone.

"Double R uses Gibson guitars, Line 6 amps, and CRC penetrating oil."

I knew it lol Cheaters.

"Squidcitycycles uses snap-on tools, a test light, and Magic Mystery Oil for the air gun."

Mystery Oil ehhh ? hmmm How much is it ? I think I need some. If it comes with a grease fitting for my joints Im
in.

Romans please don't remain silent on this thread, no matter who it ticks off please

toledoUPSguy Thinking on how best to respond. ,,,,, ok

I want to say more in allot of threads. But from my chair I can see how excited you guys can get at times. I can feel it too. Which in turn makes me happy for you. We gear heads are all just big kids at heart.

Then,,,,low and behold, some Ass-Hole comes running in the room and tells you the "Moon is Not Made Of Cheese" and there is "No Such Thing As Santa-Clause" or tells you the "Easter Bunny Is Just Some Stupid Fucking Rabbit" and it's your mom and dad that hid the Chocolate out there to make you sick so we parents could bitch about it later.

I don't want to be that guy. Fact is most don't want to hear the truth and are much happier believing in the "Magic pill". Totally Brain washed. So who am I to rain on their parade.

Naaa, not for me, not my way. I'm to easy going for that kind of crap. Would rather make people laugh than bring them to tears.

But, if you ask me a direct question to help you, I will always give the truth as I know it. I do also hope this brings on a debate, this is how we learn. You know, ten heads better than one. Some of you may remember the reports of 22 horse power gains,,, where did all that BS go ? Once the science was gone truth was out front, as always.

As it relates, here's one for ya. I got a PM from a forum member here the other day. The question was very Direct.

Rick, "Do I Need to Flash My ECU" ?

hmmm, now how do I answer that,,,, the word "Need" had me thinking. Direct answer coming.

Answer: No You Do Not. Fact is 95% of what guys are enjoying is the throttle plates opening sooner. Your cheapest way around is to remove the plates for a Free Mod. Install your favorite pipe and your done. This bike "Needs" Nothing else, No matter what you've been told.

So, if the member takes this advise he saves a fortune. So in being truthful, begs the Question what is he giving up ?

Answer: Safety Mode is controlled by throttle plates along with timing map. Remove the plates solves the biggest part of what is being felt. For a Drag racer timing being pulled is also huge makes for inconsistent runs. But this does not apply to most of the riding public.

Ok, what about fueling ? If you guys study the Dyo sheet AFR tables you clearly notice where kawi drops the AFR line at 7 Grand to run Rich. We flashers smooth that line out nice and flat. On the Dyno !!!! How many of us ride the dyno ? Riding the bike, With Ram air in play that line would have been smooth with out our interference.

Kawi tells us Ram Air on the 14R is worth as much as ten hp guess where ? Exactly where the AFR Line went rich on the Dyno after best torque. I've data logged as much as .4 AFR change. So what does this mean ? Well in short that brings the line up to 13.1 nice and flat from factory. Our now Dyno made map now has a kick to the up side and is no longer nice and smooth. Are we making a mistake by smoothing this out for you ?

No, Staying with stock AFR won't win you the race. Use PCV or ECU or whatever way you choose to pulls some fuel and couple points of timing and you got your 7 extra ponies. More is More. But you Don't "Need" A Flash. Kawi Nailed this bike. Sweeeet.

Now before anyone gets pissed at me for telling the truth, remember I sell these flashes for 250. I could have Easily went for the sale but I would have to Lie. Which will never be my way.

Would I get the Flash if I was him, Yes For sure.

Talking to much here I think. I hope this info helps. Cheers

Romes, where did you find 390cc? Where is that cross reference chart or how do you decipher the injector letters/#'s/body colors and those code?

These were taken from a wrecker motor. Nothernkaw has most anything and everything you may ever need for the 14.

Blue 440 cc 2006/2007

Orange 330 cc 2008/2011

Red 390 cc 2012/2015

Now I have been asking on all sights for years How to Exactly know for sure with zero luck. Internet is all I have.

If anyone knows more please post it.

Romes, any reason why the injector sizes vary so much through the model years?

Then,,,,low and behold, some Ass-Hole comes running in the room and tells you the "Moon is Not Made Of Cheese" and there is "No Such Thing As Santa-Clause" or tells you the "Easter Bunny Is Just Some Stupid Fucking Rabbit" and it's your mom and dad that hid the Chocolate out there to make you sick so we parents could bitch about it later.
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Some of you may remember the reports of 22 horse power gains,,, where did all that BS go ? Once the science was gone truth was out front, as always.

This reminds me how clueless we (motorcyclists) can be. Some of us do learn, eventually.
I remember all BS in the staging lanes, guys talking smack about the low ETs they will be running due to the huge main jets and the thinner needles/springs they installed. I could literally smell the raw gasoline during their runs. They were very surprised after seeing 2-3 seconds slower than stock ETs.

* Last updated by: roadczar on 5/10/2015 @ 7:55 AM *

Thanks, Romes. Why I asked was the 440's were not used for your turbo? Too rich?

This reminds me how clueless we (motorcyclists) can be. Some of us do learn

Yes, and I was certainly one of those clueless guys. Then in roles Internet. Now we go Scratching through the Mud on these forums looking for tiniest of clues to gain the Edge. Issue is as always we latch on to any and all info as if it's the holy grail. Deep down we want to believe so badly we go for it.

any reason why the injector sizes vary so much through the model years?

Great question. We can make any AFR you want in any bike with any one of these injectors. When the Gen 1.5 came out we had the smallest of injector 330cc being used. We were told these injectors had more holes for better fuel atomization and used a different Angle inside the throttle bodies. Emissions played a role and so on. Yet guys were making better power with the 440cc. How ??? More BS hurts my head.

Thanks, Romes. Why I asked was the 440's were not used for your turbo? Too rich?

Hub Lately I have been doing ECU conversions from Gen 2 into Gen 1 ECU's as more guys are running the 1441R motor in the Gen 1 bikes. Issue is fueling is a nightmare. One bike with 1441R motor was just run up on the Dyno using 330cc injectors along with 2008 ECU that I converted to 2012. I got reports back bike there was light pinging in the mid range on the Dyno,,, why ? I've used this timing map dozens of times always without issue.

My personal belief is bike should have had the 390cc injectors to start off with along with Gen 2 fuel maps flashed in the ECU. Then do the fine tuning of fueling on the dyno to get to the 13.8 AFR. Could the fueling #'s between the #'s be the cause of the pinging ?

Maybe winter gas was used ? Smaller air box ? I don't know for sure but it is bugging me still. I would have liked to have done the injector swap with ECU mapping to see if injector size played a role in fueling. Using only the PCV to do all the fueling is crude. This tool is not meant to run all the IAP maps Along with all throttle Maps IMO. To many variables hurts the ole Noodle. His track times will tell the real story.

Hub the 440cc injector is still my Favorite injector but fueling needs to be matched with ECU fueling maps for that model year. Yes I know you can tune around it but my feeling are it's a piss poor place to start.

Now enter Boost and all that goes out the window. Fuel pressure starts at 50 PSI and ramps to 90 psi behind the injector at full boost. ECU fuel maps goo out the window, Nothing is wright. Reason for me in this case is 440cc injectors I can get quickly are old and I don't trust a 8 year old injector. The 390cc I could get are fairly new

Wife made me sell it for a Horse if you can believe that. Horse two months later got sick and died. Carma Maybe.

You can resurect a dead bike but there aint no forum in the world that will be of much help with a dead horse.

I finally received the Woolich system and made the map mostly based on the Woolich base map. Very impressed the with the results. The power delivery became crisp and the 4-5k RPM issue is all but gone.

Here is a link to my map share, if someone would like to compare and comment. The low power mode equals the stock full power (for comparison) except for the safety maps.

Link

* Last updated by: roadczar on 5/16/2015 @ 12:01 PM *

COOL! I bet you can do a little better if you are willing to go through the AutoTune process. Planning to try that this summer?

COOL! I bet you can do a little better if you are willing to go through the AutoTune process. Planning to try that this summer?

Potentially, I just need to fins a place where I can do repeated 4th gear blasts. :)

You know where.

It's the "repeated" part that scares me. You know you have recon at least from one end of the track. If you get chased, I could lay down on the side of the road like I'm dead. The cop might stop to help me.

You can resurect a dead bike but there aint no forum in the world that will be of much help with a dead horse.

Lol, just need a Really Big Shovel. Lol that was mean, honest I didn't mean it.

Rook I got even this month. New Boosted Toys For Rick. When obsessions Turn to Madness you could end up with 3 Boosted 14s. Yup I'm Even plus 2

WOW! No one can say you didn't do your research. Do you have different setups or do you just like building turbos?