Great night weather out there, thought Id go out and test out my shift light(set to 10,500) never miss shifted, and works perfect. But as im pulling in the garage I notice it ticking BAD and that was with my helmet still on. Sadly this is the time of year I like to ride the most, and it looks like im about to tear it down for the winter, and do a rebuild. Not sure yet what the problem is. Its putting out a little bit of white/bluish smoke, and of course ticking like a bat out of hell. If it is a piston or something lower end, then im going to look into big bore kits. Dont need anything crazy, but if im in there, I might as well go bigger. Doubt id do anything crazy like the 1570 since its not a drag bike, but probably at least the 1451 kit. I havent done any research yet, so I have a lot to learn on the subject and go from there.

Temp was still at 1/2, took this 10 second video, and shut it off. Im not going to start it again until I at least get a bore scope down in it, and see what the damage is. I was not on nitrous when it happened, but what ever broke, was probably a direct result of previous nitrous use. My thought is to possibly build the bike close to what I was doing on nitrous (upper 220's whp), and sell the nitrous kit. Possibly a 1451 kit with 47mm throttle bodies, and velosity stacks, and some head work, who knows right. lol

This is what I heard when I got off the bike.

Sorry about your bike but it sounds like a bad #3!

Doesn't sound good. Post up when you get it going again. We still need to meet up and ride.

As much as I dont want to wait this long, I usually get about 7-8k back in taxes. Worst case scenario, Ill use that money, but thats getting too close to the beginning of riding season. Id like to have it back on the road before February.

Pulled the plugs and about to go get it scoped. Plug 1 is fine, plug 2 is partially melted, plug 3 95% melted, plug 4 100% melted. Hmm :(

* Last updated by: Kolk1 on 9/21/2012 @ 2:43 PM *

Before you go tearing it down, I'd throw some new plugs in there. I can't see how it could have possibly running on all 4 with those plugs.

Mad

Scoped it, and one piston has a hole(#4), and the other 3 were beat to hell. Time to build a big NA motor lol

Ill just edit/update this post.

I stripped the bike down to just a frame/engine and pulled the plugs this morning. Took it to his shop after lunch and he scoped it. 4th cylinder piston was beat to shit, and had a hole, the other 3 all had bad detention marks, obviously getting less as you work your way over to cylinder one. Walls looked ok, valves looked ok, BUT this is all subject to change when we actually tear down the motor. I left the bike at his shop for now(I used to work there) and monday or tuesday im going to go back and drop the motor out of the bike, so I can bring the bike home, and just leave the motor with him. He has 3 motor rebuilds ahead of mine. So it maybe awhile before I know ALL the damage.

Little background, his ZX12 street bike is doing 230whp, and like 305 on nitrous. And its still stock bore. I dont know the details, but with me on nitrous, him NA, he still walks me, and then he hits the button and just screams away from me. So right now, im thinking Big NA build, and possibly sell the nitrous.

* Last updated by: Kolk1 on 9/21/2012 @ 2:53 PM *

NO2=Bad motor fast!!

Kolk1,

How many km's (miles) on those plugs?

Spyglass

Well, when I bought the bike, the previous owner said he started the nitrous install(I knew the previous owner from when I worked at a bike shop, he was in there all the time) but all he got done was the spray bar, and spark plugs(1step colder and so on) Well, I found out, he didnt do plugs, and they were still the OEM plugs. So I was spraying on Hot iridiums. Guess I should of double checked myself. So besides being the wrong plugs, they have almost 16k miles on them.

im going to look into big bore kits.

....The whole reason that is NOT such a bad thing to have heappen. I don't look forward to spending the $$$ but I'd love to bore my 14 as big as I could go w/out causing heat problems.

Big bore is on list IF I have any cylinder wall damage. If the walls are fine, I probably wont spend the grand to have it honed out and recoated. Ill probably just build a high compression motor, and spend more money on head work.

Kinda depends, and who knows. Im not in a rush, its not going to be done and finished within a month, so then we are into winter almost. Right now im just reading a lot, and looking up previous builds and dyno charts. I have a power goal in mind, and it depends on whats broke, on which path ill take. My builder did give me a rough quote on labor, and I know what he usually charges(not sure I said this but I used to work for him), and he also offered to buy all my parts for me, so I only have to pay his cost on parts. Once we have it stripped down, and know 100% of whats damaged, hes going to give me a couple different price range builds, and ill chose from there.

You are building your own super improved 14r!!! Cool, man. Pass the word on to Kawi.

What can I say, I dont want to be shown up by the new model I guess. Just make my own. lol

I did drop the motor out of the bike today, and going back there in the morning to pick up the bike and bring it home. Maybe ill put the plastics back on it, so im not sad when I see it without the motor all the time. lol

I dont want to be shown up by the new model I guess.

Build it for low compression and big boost ??????? Win Win. Scary Fast

If I had the money to also turbo it at tha same time I would. I'm not that lucky.

So, after taking a step back, saving money for several months, we finally tore into the motor about 6 week ago.

Found this in cylinder #4

At that point we had a couple options, I was thinking big bore kit, to get up to roughly what I was doing on nitrous I wanted to NA. Jerry, built me up a price quote, but then also did a 2nd price quote to compare. Build #1, go 1451cc kit, full head work, so on and so on. His best guess was around 215-220whp and 130ish torque(iirc). His 2nd idea that I didnt know he was pricing, was to stay 1352, do JE Turbo pistons, Velocity Racing turbo kit with garrett GT2871 turbo, with all Tial accessories, and all the other head work and so on as before. Price difference in the end, at his cost for parts(and no labor)was only $2,000 difference, BUT with the turbo build I could sell Nitrous kit, Brocks exhaust, and air filter and get back over half that difference in quote. So I did, and sold everything for $1,200, so in the end, it was only $800 more to do the turbo kit, over the big NA build. But heres the kicker, obviously a turbo build is going to do WAY more power than a big NA build. We are going to run low boost only, I dont race, or do this to prove anything to people, just to have fun out on my own. So low boost is fine, probably 6-7lbs, and could be roughtly 275whp/150wtq. With all the other work in the motor, we could easily push this thing well into the 300s if we wanted, we wont. But I guess we will see. We arent going to push the limits or anything crazy, but with good pistons, full head work, tons of ARP parts, and so on, it should be a blast to ride.

And being generally afraid for my life, I did buy a stretch kit. On that note, im planning on buying a 2nd bike later. Probably a salvaged title R1, put new springs, and sticky tires on it, and be done, and just use it as my back road bike.

The more I research, pretty much going to have to run a very sticky rear tire, or ill just end up spinning the tire upwards of 4th gear possibly.

Stretch kit doesnt look as bad as I thought. I went ahead and installed it, along with the new rear brake line, bled it and got it ready to go. For curiosity, when I installed it, I installed it at the full 9inch mark to see how it would look. Obviously if you wanted to adjust the chain, you couldnt install it this long even if you wanted too.

Like I said, this is completly maxed out, just to see the worse it could possibly look like.

Also, found out that I will be able to run a new air filter and keep it inside the fairing, found a guy over in Australia that did the same thing. Due to my turbo kit, actually being backwards compared to other kits, my kit has the filter going to the left side of the bike, so there is actually more room for the air filter. So I can run a stubby 6inch filter or so, and still keep it inside the fairing. :)

Ive read that under hard acceleration, if the tire hits the undertail, the plastic will shred, and directly under that is your ECU, so thats not good. lol Decided to make my own undertail. Ive seen people make them by just putting an old license plate under the tail. I didnt feel like spending $150 for the rear Tiger under tail, but at the same time, I didnt want to be as cheap as bolting aan old license plate under there either. So I took some sheet metal, and some tin snips, and cut out a new bracket. Its double layered under the plate, because I wanted to fold it over so I wouldnt have any type of sharp edge incase the tire did catch the vary back of it. Besides that, My buddy that I sold all my powder coating equipment to, said he would spray it black for me. If not, Ill just hit it with some black rustoleuom, its not like you can see it anyway without being under the bike. Obviously at the same time, you need a new place to mount your plate as well, so this also doubles as a plate holder, and will help give a little protection from if I hit some water, not getting sprayed in the back. lol Once the tail is put back together, and the plate is back on, you wont be able to see any of it anyway.

Its now powder coated black, and looks a lot better, this was just the rough first draft.

* Last updated by: Kolk1 on 3/26/2013 @ 6:54 PM *

And the very last update to bring us up to date.

Well I did get an update today. Like ive said, we are just waiting on the motor to come back from Millennium. They said today, they plan on shipping my motor back to me by April 5th. So Jerry should have it back around 8th or 9th.

Also, today we got an email, Radiator is done, oil pan is done, and 100% of all other parts(unless we missed something), are now shipped.

All I can do is wait now.

Also not listed above, I also ordered new stiffer front and rear springs, rear spring is already installed, havent done the fronts yet.

* Last updated by: Kolk1 on 3/26/2013 @ 7:31 PM *

So low boost is fine, probably 6-7lbs, and could be roughtly 275whp/150wtq. With all the other work in the motor, we could easily push this thing well into the 300s if we wanted, we wont. But I guess we will see. We aren't going to push the limits or anything crazy, but with good pistons, full head work, tons of ARP parts, and so on, it should be a blast to ride.

Your going to Love it. Congrats. Low compression 6lbs not give you those #'s. 8lbs or 9lbs ???? Start Here lol

kit with garrett GT2871 turbo,

I assume you had to remove the oil cooler in this kit as the 2871 compressor side is quite large ?

All good, can't wait to here your impression. Cheers.

Reminda me of just how long one of these bikes can last a guy. When it breaks, you fix it better. congrats and enjoy the new ride.

"Your going to Love it. Congrats. Low compression 6lbs not give you those #'s. 8lbs or 9lbs ???? Start Here lol"

We are not doing Low compression. Im not going for crazy power, so we are staying standard compression JE turbo pistons. If something were to ever happen, I could pull the turbo, go back to NA, and not be stuck with a low compression NA motor. Thats also why im still port and polishing the head, and degreeing the cams. Besides that, I guess I shouldnt say low boost, but more or less, we are not going to shoot for the moon type numbers. Im probably not as crazy as everybody else that Turbos a 14, I was more than happy with the 228whp my nitrous setup did, but I hated filling bottles. Anything over 230 I really just consider an extra bonus. lol. I should say, We will start with 6-7lbs, see where that puts us, and either stay there, or bump it up a little more. I honestly wouldnt mind spending the first season at 6-7lbs, then next year maybe bump it up 1-2 more. Im also staying on 93 octane, so that also needs to be considered as well.

"kit with garrett GT2871 turbo,
I assume you had to remove the oil cooler in this kit as the 2871 compressor side is quite large ?
All good, can't wait to here your impression. Cheers."

Kit is a Orient Express(Velocity Racing) setup. My research found they used a 2871, but I could be wrong. I know the radiator had to be shipped in for modifications, as well as the oil pan. Obviously I know why the oil pan had to be shipped in, but im not sure about what they are doing to the radiator, I figured mounting tabs, or possibly extensions to move it out a little bit.

At this point, I honestly feel way over my head as far as everything thats going on with it. Jerry has built a countless number of bikes, and any time I find another little part, like "hey why dont we do this as well" he just laughs and says "I already am" or "its already ordered" lol. I swear every time I go over there and talk to him about it, I find out more stuff hes doing to the bike I didnt know about. He knows my goals, Very reliable, fun street bike,(more importantly my budget) and im not worried about crazy power at all. I have no problem telling people im scared of the bike and only running low boost, and like I said, im not doing this to race people or prove a point. I seriously did about 90% of my nitrous use when I was out riding by myself, and just having fun. Im sure Full boost, will be the same way. lol

Rook: I honestly thought about selling it, but I dont know where id go from here. Besides a different bike for a different type of riding, I dont know what id do for my "power cruiser" as I like to call it. Due to some new additions to the 14, I am looking at not using it as my backroad bike anymore, and pick up a previously wrecked R1 like I use to have, for back roading and track days.

We are not doing Low compression. Im not going for crazy power, so we are staying standard compression

Sorry, mis read .

Not going for Crazy power ? 275/150 torque is pretty nuts me tinks ?

Im sure Full boost, will be the same way. lol

hmmmm, Got me thinking, Ok, I will take a stab at it.

Have you ever hit 20 shot at 3700 Rpm & 40 shot 4200 RPM & 60 shot 5500 RPM & 80 shot at 6000 RPM all in the same run ?

If you answer was No, then Not The Same. Some times you will only use the 20 or the 40 or the 60 or maybe none at all,,, All up to you, it's all the your wrist and Never runs out. Having that kind of power on Tap is very addictive, you will see. No going back.

Rook we need your How to pics,,,,, I know how to set the hook, but your to far away lol

I meant full boost will be the same was, as in. I only ever used nitrous when I was out by myself, just enjoying the open road, besides that, I rarely even went Wot NA. And with the turbo kit, Im sure I will rarely hit full boost, unless im out riding by myself having fun. BUT at the same time, now I dont have to fill a bottle, so it may happen more often now. lol

275/150 is nuts, I wont argue that, but it seems most people that do turbo kits (not all) tend to push everything to the limit, and try and shoot for the stars as far as numbers are concerned. All my numbers have been on the same dyno, with the same tuner, so Ill be able to compare direct dyno charts. The way im looking at it, and im sure over time my opinion will change, was that I was more than happy with the 228whp, so anything more than that is just going to be a bonus so to speak. If I went the NA route, I would of probably have only hit 215-220, so this is going to be way more power than I was expecting to get out of this build. lol

Oh, and no, my 50whp Shot hit at 5,000rpm and stayed the same to redline. But I know thats not what you were getting at. One thing I do like about a turbo is just that, if I want, I can just hold 1 or 2 psi all the way to redline, you dont have to be at full boost. Not sure how twitchy or steady it will be on a bike to do that, but in all the turbo cars ive had, it was easy to only do 0,5,10 or whatever pressure I wanted all the way to redline. My last car did almost 30lbs at full boost.

* Last updated by: Kolk1 on 3/27/2013 @ 5:28 PM *