all this swapping has got me confused! first, you bought a full standard hindle. then bought a brock alien head can only, right?

did you sell the hindle can only and kept the hindle headers for the alien head can?

my head's spinning right now and i haven't even had a drink yet. maybe i need one...

I love the pics. It tells all, without all the words.

Why do you think there is no equalization pipes between 3&4. Stock has it for all model years.

all this swapping has got me confused! first, you bought a full standard hindle. then bought a brock alien head can only, right?

did you sell the hindle can only and kept the hindle headers for the alien head can?

my head's spinning right now and i haven't even had a drink yet. maybe i need one...

The header that works with a Brock's pipe is the Hindle Race. The 2.25" core.
The Hindle Standard has a 2" core and is not compatible.
I did buy a standard Hindle system too, and have since sold it. Wanna see a pic of the standard???
It's the same design as the race, but the race goes from 2" to 2.25" just after the flanges. You can see where in the pics. The standard stays 2".

Why do you think there is no equalization pipes between 3&4. Stock has it for all model years.

I'll let Brock answer that.
Taken from here:
http://www.brocksperformance.com/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=21&TopicID=457&PagePosition=1

"Subject: Why Brock’s Performance (by Hindle) Exhaust Systems are Different.

Most of the differences involve thought process, design and test criteria...it is a philosophy.

Basically, we find that other exhaust companies concentrate on development using road race technology. Low end and mid range power (at partial throttle openings) are paramount to assist cornering speeds, etc… In this type of racing, the machines only maintain high rpm usage for a limited time before decelerating to power up again. A sport bike drag racer needs lower revs for a moment on the launch before wide open sustained high rpm usage is required.

We are drag racers who not only street ride our machines most of the time, but also want the maximum performance out of them at the track...bragging rights are on the line every time we stage!

Mid to high rpm power and a dedicated power curve to provide the best possible ACCELERATION is our goal. If a late model 1000+ CC sport bike needs more low-end grunt, we can’t tell from the way we use them! (Hell, we can’t keep the front ends on the ground!!) So, why are most manufacturers concentrating on small primaries, crossover tubes, etc…? These are road race ‘buzz’ words that sport bike drag racers don’t need. A surprising aspect of this difference in goals is that we really don’t lose anything in the areas they target...and we run off from them up top!"

All that I can tell you is that I am extremely happy with the power I am getting out of the big ninja with my Hindle Race header and Brock's alienhead. Atleast now that the autotune is building me a map.

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 6/6/2009 @ 5:43 PM *

Wow, it will always amaze me how these pro tuners always have diff story. Akrapovic has the crossover tubes and the story is reversed. They copy the stock set up, sort of? As long as they make us more horse power with their BS I'm OK with it. Cheers.

that A Head looks familiar.

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http://www.x-pipe.com/AUTO_Mustang.html Go to the motorcycle photo of the x-pipe. Check that cross-over.
I just got this name from... Lets just say, this name came with a list of others. I rather you go there because the photo will expand your screen, and I am not going to crop it for dis play.

But, I have 2 straight pipes that are not H or X'd between cylinders. Would an X sound better than an H design? Would the 3 different combination's of straight/H/X have or make any difference between HP differences?

Monty has a patent on the what? Can you find a dyno plot on Monty's site? I could ask the Mustang guys but I am banned discussing the Otto-cycle and an 02 sensor wit those clowns.

I waked away from a Harley site is upset that click of a club. I have to pay another Harley site a question. I sort of asked a generic cylinder fill to the guy waiting to swipe my credit card, but I tried to qualify him as to his ability to answer a basic question before we proceed.

I am fresh out of answers is if Monty wants to see if that X patent pipe can compete with a straight pipe is who makes an H pipe? Here are 3 variable to the present out of the exhaust port.

Place the key fob up my ass crack IS start the bike up to see WOT shit is BULL SHEETit right here is look at that tire mark is kill the engine at 60 feet is she is back in the box is ship it back with the patent sir ran rap pings.

Yes, mickey mouse click club, Cutter, not clique clubb with a lisp.

that A Head looks familiar.

wee

And here I was with holding names to protect the innocent.

BTW Wheelie,
If you haven't found a Street Meg yet, I found one for $275 shipped new. If you want the guys contact info, PM me.
It would be a 2.25" Hindle, though. Not sure how that would affect the map support you get from Brock.

Hub, I have no clue what you are trying to say. Too much on a Saturday night.

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 6/7/2009 @ 1:03 AM *

email me mrwheelie@tx.rr.com

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* Last updated by: Wheelie on 6/7/2009 @ 6:39 AM *

Place the key fob up my ass crack IS start the bike up to see WOT shit is BULL SHEETit right here is look at that tire mark is kill the engine at 60 feet is she is back in the box is ship it back with the patent sir ran rap pings.

Out Saturday Night being good to yourself Hub ?

My Leo Vince does'nt utilize a x-over tube either.
I wonder if this is why Ivan's maps don't seem to do anything for me (seat of the pants).

DogoZX What base map did you start with? Are you using the Ign Module? What kind of advance are you running?

I will be taking the bike to a tuner soon. I finally found one kinda close that has great references. Pricey, but he takes the bike for 3 days minimum, syncs the throttle bodies and individually maps each cylinder. He also never tunes on bad weather days. He claims our bikes #1&4 cylinders run way different than #2&3. We'll see.

* Last updated by: CycleJunkie on 6/7/2009 @ 8:20 AM *

Dogo: And here I was with holding names to protect the innocent.

I wonder if this is why Ivan's maps don't seem to do anything for me (seat of the pants).

Honesty. That scene in, "Show me the money" where she hugs Tom, says a comment and he says back, "Honesty is why I like this place."

I am trying to protect the innocent. The net makes the world smaller. It makes the bike scene even smaller is that clique that everyone knows someone that knows someone and therefore, someone is on to me as if to use my name with the likes of Monty and what I believe to be a myth like the 5th is take the 5th.

You know..... Patent Pend.

And I cannot find that man with the Pend.... Meaning.

DogoZX What base map did you start with? Are you using the Ign Module? What kind of advance are you running?

I will be taking the bike to a tuner soon. I finally found one kinda close that has great references. Pricey, but he takes the bike for 3 days minimum, syncs the throttle bodies and individually maps each cylinder. He also never tunes on bad weather days. He claims our bikes #1&4 cylinders run way different than #2&3. We'll see.

My bike is an '06.
Current mods are:
Hindle Race 2.25" header w/Brock's AH
Flies out
TRE for N mapping
AIS blocked
BMC race
25mm vel stacks
17/43 gearing
PC5 with autotune

My base map was the Muzzy m10 flies out map for the PC3 that I converted to a PC5 map.
The afr table is on the default settings and my map was WAY off for my setup. I was running rich all over the place and had quite a few cells that needed to be enleaned the maximum 20% the first ride out with the autotune. I'll start a new thread soon to keep everyone in the loop on how the autotune is going. I seem to consistantly being tinkering with the bike, so it should be interesting to see how the autotune responds to whatever other mods I end up doing.

He claims our bikes #1&4 cylinders run way different than #2&3. We'll see.

Cyclejunkie, Did your tuner happen to mention how he gets his readings for each cylinder? Four bungs ?

Cyclejunkie, Did your tuner happen to mention how he gets his readings for each cylinder? Four bungs ?

Good ? Romans. I'll ask him.
I was thinking, if you attached a thermistor to each head pipe, then tuned to get all the same temperatures.?

I would be interested to see your numbers when he is all done. This is the first time I have seen any body post getting a advanced map. I kept seeing this as a option in the power commanders software . I always wondered how they do it. This must be allot of work. Your guy must know his stuff. I hope you sent the bike in with a bald tire.