I got nailed by A DPS trooper on the way home.

Yikes,,, how bad ?

I like the 14 just the way it is. I never got caught up in that stuff of what's faster.
Some people try really hard to find ways to divide themselves. Always trying to prove something. They can have it.

I like the 14 just the way it is. I never got caught up in that stuff of what's faster.

I like it too but for 15 grands, they could do more. For instance how it is that the 2006 AND 2008 models have the valve cover leaks. One big improvement in 6 years! We should expect more. I'm sure that those who like to push their bikes wanna see some of the technology usually reserved for liters on their hypers!

Some people try really hard to find ways to divide themselves. Always trying to prove something. They can have it.

It's normal. I'd say I like the divide as long as there is respect. Better learn from our differences than convince the world or ourselves we're all the same. It's not true, we are all different. Besides is not that serious it is just a BMW 1000RR v.s Big CC's bikes thread, we're not talking racism or China abusing Tibet. Lighten up!

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I don't own one of those BMW's and will never be able to afford one with their asking price but if you extend this question to all ultra lightweight bikes vs cc's then the ultimate answer of which is superior gets more complicated. GSXR's and ZX10's with a few mods will run with the Busa's and the 14's with waaaaaaaay less horsepower. I just picked up a GSXR1000 because I wanted a lighter bike to play with at the dragstrip. It's 125-150 pounds ligher than the two ZX14's and Busa I already have. With the heavy bikes we were able to 60' with the lightest bikes and MPH with them but just could not 330' with them. We could close the gap by the 1320' but not at the 660' and since 95% of our racing here is 1/8th mile it made sense to me to at least try a 350 pound bike out. I know we have more horsepower than the 1000's I'm referring to but do not have a power/weight advantage and it's tough to get a big truck moving vs a sports car. I think I'm going in the right direction here, especially since we mainly race 1/8th mile but I'll be able to give more insight into this argument once we get to the track with the new bike and put it through its paces.

I will be really interested in hearing about your findings. To the simple mind,speed and acceleration is only a matter of cc's and HP. A lot of guys bring beemers, gxsr or fireblade to the meets but when you come around on your 14, everybody is impressed. The liters riders are in awe when you tell them you're sitting on 1400CC's but I do not thing that the acceleration of a Beemer is less scary than the acceleration of a ZX-14. Off the strip the numbers are pretty close, at least for us non drag racer. Consequently, I find myself wanting to get to the bottom of it, on the physics. For instance hypers, make up for their weight by making their power sooner. That's why 4000 rpm launches are sufficient for a 14 at the strip. So far all made sense to me and then I heard about the Beemer and ZX-10 competing with the hyper. So my question is not so much whether the Beemer is faster than the 14R, it is more about what wins races. Weight or power. Which one is the most important? If you haven't guessed yet... I don't care about how much power Kawasaki gives the 14R. Power can be gained with pipes, engine builds etc, it is harder to decrease the weight of a bike. Shortening the wheelbase a tad, putting the 14R on a diet, better suspensions and handling would make the bike sweet. It's a hyper but most of the riders who own one are speed addicts would love throwing the bike in a corner. What if the 14R had a baby with a ZX-12?

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Romans when I said Babied I meant: the headaches to get the job done (I remember you had a few, missing parts etc), the worry and the knowledge to find the right map, then you have to have all those gauges to monitor AFR etc. You seem to like working on bike as much as riding them (this is the only way to be able to survive the long ride-less winter in Canada lol) so this come easy for you. Even if I had somebody reputable do the turbo, I'll still be worry on my long trips. Just burning oil and dirty plugs makes me mad, imagine problems with a turbo?! lol Don't get me wrong I enjoy/ed stuff like taking the flies out, changing the oil, spark plug and air filter maintenance etc but when you're talking in your dreams or loosing sleep over bike stuff...

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Yikes,,, how bad ?

Pretty bad, 24 over the limit but there is a chance I can take a Driver Safety Course and keep it off my record. That is the main thing I'm worried about, cost of the ticket is $250, about the same as a rear tire change.

Romans, how do you stay out of trouble with a turbo-bike on Canadian roads? Are you doing all track?

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My 14 hit's hard with a lot of torque down low but then fizzles out by about 9 to 10,000, the liters wind up like a bottle rocket, everything is up top. I like the feel of both but the 14 is a way more relaxing ride and I think I can stay out of trouble with it better. The liters and especially the 600s exist for only one reason and that is to haul azz and bend corners, anywhere else they stink and I say that with all due respect because I own a few of them.

Drag, for an easy answer to your question, what are the top pros in drag racing running, Ricky Gadsen for example? I know he tried a 10R awhile back but then went back to the 14. Maybe the hypers work better?

I think the weight and low end torque of the big bikes can be a help in consistent launches. 1Bad is a dragstrip freak and he says, at least down here in Texas, the Hayabusa and 14 are still king of the dragstrip.

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I like the 14 just the way it is. I never got caught up in that stuff of what's faster.
Some people try really hard to find ways to divide themselves. Always trying to prove something. They can have it.

+1 and one reason why Drag and I didn't rush out and buy a new 14R. As I said back then and I'll say it again, even the old 14 with a few mods is waaaaay more bike than is useable on the road, heck I almost went to jail Sunday on a 600!

The division thing has been around since Fred Flintstone and probably always will be. When I was in High School it was Ford vs Chevy vs Mopar, same deal.

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Romans when I said Babied I meant: the headaches to get the job done (I remember you had a few, missing parts etc)

Missing parts is one way to put it,,,, The prick stole 5 Grand from me for 68 days and gave me nothing, when I threatened, he sent me a brand new turbo in a box but every thing else he made was 2nd hand junk of shop floor. Riding season in Canada was over, bike in pieces, Grrrrrrrrrr. Yep still a bit bitter lol.

the worry and the knowledge to find the right map, then you have to have all those gauges to monitor AFR etc. You seem to like working on bike as much as riding them (this is the only way to be able to survive the long ride-less winter in Canada lol) so this come easy for you.

Dis B True. I Love working on anything that burns fuel. As I'm always making changes, need gauges to monitor what effect my changes make,,, or Boom. Could never afford to pay for Dyno Time to play like this. Testing is all part of it

Romans, how do you stay out of trouble with a turbo-bike on Canadian roads? Are you doing all track?

I did not get to the Track once this year, no time, as I work most weekends. Tracks are 2-1/2 hours away making it hard to get there. In most cases it never works out 4 me, wife kids and all of life needs get in the way. U know, take what time you can get.

I like the 14 just the way it is. I never got caught up in that stuff of what's faster.
Some people try really hard to find ways to divide themselves. Always trying to prove something. They can have it.
+1 and one reason why Drag and I didn't rush out and buy a new 14R. As I said back then and I'll say it again, even the old 14 with a few mods is waaaaay more bike than is useable on the road, heck I almost went to jail Sunday on a 600!
The division thing has been around since Fred Flintstone and probably always will be. When I was in High School it was Ford vs Chevy vs Mopar, same deal.

Division, Wow, I never thought of any of it this way. First here.

I am only in it for the fun of it. Very simple man. Just a gear head is all lol.

Pretty bad, 24 over the limit but there is a chance I can take a Driver Safety Course and keep it off my record. That is the main thing I'm worried about, cost of the ticket is $250, about the same as a rear tire change.

Here in Toronto what kills is our insurance rates with any ticket that sticks. keeping it off your record also very important.

Are you going to fight it ?

That's the plan, not to fight it per se, I was over the limit, no question but the law says I am entitled to a Driver Safety Course with no points, deferred adjudication with no points or a jury trial of my peers. The last one is the leverage, they do not like jury trials because it eats up space on the docket and costs the county money. In the big city, the DA will almost always plea bargain the case down to a lesser charge if you even hint of a trial. i was able to do this in San Antonio without an attorney present for 26 mph over.

Small towns may be different, Rook ran into the small town DA from Hell in Wisconsin, he was like "C'mon, bring it!" When I heard that, I knew his case would not have a happy outcome. Maybe the DA was bluffing, I don't know but if so, the bluff worked and Rook's attorney folded.

The small towns just don't have the cases piled up and in a perverse way the DA may welcome a chance to exercise his lawyer skills, especially if he is bored. I'm just guessing here.

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From what I have experienced, an attorney has limited options in trafic court. He can postpone the court date several times and hope the trooper is a no show, automatic dismissal! He can try to plea bargain the ticket down to a lesser offense or threaten a jury trial. Those are a bit iffy because it's easy to piss off the jury who probably doesn't want to be there anyway and probably thinks you deserve the ticket. About the only thing the attorney can do is try to prove the officers radar equipment was not correctly calibrated or some other technical mumbo jumbo. It's pretty much the trooper's word against your's and you know who 's going to win that argument.

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Drag, for an easy answer to your question, what are the top pros in drag racing running, Ricky Gadsen for example? I know he tried a 10R awhile back but then went back to the 14. Maybe the hypers work better?

Yeah it makes sense! That's why in the street the advantage is not that obvious, most guys do roll ons and don't excel at getting off the line.

Could never afford to pay for Dyno Time to play like this

I see you buying a Dyno in the future, Mrs Romans will be pleased lol

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you have to admitt a liter bike is alot of fun for just blasting around town. I have both and find my self swinging a leg over the GSXR most of the time, problem is I tend to ride the liter bike like a mad man.

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dragking, I don't need to lighten up. I know this isn't a serious thread. China and racism?
Just trying to say I couldn't care less what bike is faster. When I see people argue and get defensive about this stuff I just shake my head. Not what's happening here but it happens too often.

you have to admitt a liter bike is alot of fun for just blasting around town. I have both and find my self swinging a leg over the GSXR most of the time, problem is I tend to ride the liter bike like a mad man.

Honestly the main reason people don't like liters is the fact that they are too big for them!

Just trying to say I couldn't care less what bike is faster. When I see people argue and get defensive about this stuff I just shake my head. Not what's happening here but it happens too often.

I also couldn't care less about what's faster per se. My interest is learning the characteristics which makes liters and hypers efficient at acceleration. I chose the Beemer here just because its platform has been successful on the strip. It's a genuine interest similar to the one I have for biomechanics for instance. I do not think that the bike you ride makes you more or less of a man but on the other hand, I think that the japanese manufacturers aren't trying hard enough considering the technology we have nowadays. I hear you on the fact that people get too defensive about those topics.

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