I am grateful that you're still with us.

Good Man, Good Gear, Good Brain... Good Thinking! Keep up the Good Thinking wearing that good gear.

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Hey DragKing
Sorry to hear about your misfortune but I am glad you are alright thats the most important thing.
As far as going downtown....ketchep and cheese is definitly NOT ON the Menu!!! EWWW!!!LOL

Yep. No condiment. That's the way to go! lool

DAMN DK! Sorry to hear about the accident! But I am glad you made it thru Bro! I hope that all goes well with the insurance and you get back in the saddle again soon! Gear up or don't go! That's my philosophy and glad you ride the same way dude! Otherwise we could be hearin' this story from someone else!

I have been guilty at times of doing it the squid way which in my case is gloves and helmet only when I go to the gym which 1 miles from the house but usually my bare minimum is jacket, gloves, helmet and jeans. I hope progressive comes through fast and I can get on the road. I must have rode 160 miles in the last 3 months! This little accident opened my eyes. I'm thinking about a cheap track bike after all. Something about 6 grands should be about perfect. I can't have two "pretty" bikes in the stable. Not if I want to better my skills. That S1000RR though... well I guess it will be my third bike I just told the wife she likes the idea of the cheap track bike but you should have seen her when I said the beemer would follow LOL Priceless

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Me too. I can't imagine I would be feeling like you. Not this soon.

It depends how you look at it. I see it like adversity. I have always ridden a little better with a chip on my shoulder. It's like I concentrate a little better. In retrospective nothing could I saved me and that's skills or TC. I have had the tire slide just a little under hard acceleration but from the get go you have a certain feeling, like you know the tire is going nowhere. This was totally different so I can't put the blame on me, I guess that's why I'm eager to get back out. When I got rear ended it was a little different, but I still wanted to ride the street. Like I have said before I did my mourning the day I bought the bike. I remember looking at her in the garage and telling myself I was stepping in dangerous territory. I didn't ride for 8 days or something like that but then accepted the prospective faith that some of us bikers subject themselves to. Or like my Vietnamese friend says "no money no honey" LOL You gotta pay the price of admission.

Thanks mebgardner. Gear is really important and I'm glad I was wearing the best I have.

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sorry to hear of your 'off' dragking, but glad you got off with little injury!
hopefully you'll be bck on the road in no time!

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Man I come back after a weekend to this...! Damn bro sorry to hear about the bike, though def good to see you safe. Reading your story, reminds me of one of the early lessons this guy taught me on my track day just recently. He actually pulled me aside because I was new and riding the 14, and wanted talked about rear tire losing traction.

He was saying that sometimes, getting on the throttle too much coming out of a turn, you can roll on throttle and lose traction and feel that rear start to slide out. Other times, the bike will actually remain in form, but you realize the bike isn't going anyplace. In either case, it's because the rear has lost traction, and the one thing you don't want to do is chop the throttle because it will immediately launch you high side. Sucks to read about exactly that happening to you.

On the road though, it's just tough because you don't always have that 60 feet of track to correct.

Oh well, glad you're ok. Another +1 for gear. Hope the insurance doesn't give you too hard a time. I use the same company, btw, so I'm definitely curious to see how they treat you. See you back on the road soon!

C

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I have been guilty at times of doing it the squid way which in my case is gloves and helmet only when I go to the gym

Yeah, I do that sometimes, but only when riding in my subdivision after making changes to the bike. I never leave the neighborhood without being kitted up though... Had my share of bad experiences and road rashes when I was young and dumb... to old and too much responsibility to be put down for any length of time nowadays!

I'm thinking about a cheap track bike after all. Something about 6 grands should be about perfect. I can't have two "pretty" bikes in the stable. Not if I want to better my skills. That S1000RR though... well I guess it will be my third bike I just told the wife she likes the idea of the cheap track bike but you should have seen her when I said the beemer would follow LOL Priceless

Now you see why my ZX10R is staying... even though I can't really say cheap cuz I have BIG plans for it, but once it's sorted out it will be a 70/30 track bike... 70% street / 30% track... And I know the look, my wife probrably had the same look as yours as I was telling her the same idea about an S1thouRR as a third bike and measuring the "bike side" of my garage to make sure all three would fit!

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@Caroobs: yeah you don't wanna chop the throttle but in my instance it happened too fast, I don't think I could have saved it either way. I don't think I chopped the throttle, if anything, I think the violent shake made me give it more gas! I was rear ended 2 years ago and a driver hit the bike while it was park on a parking lot last year, although they didn't have to pay out of pocket progressive was great! Their rates are also really competitive.

@Bigwheelie: I think my 14 will have more mods, I'll just do the basics on the liter and by the time I get the Beemer, I'm hoping I will be able to afford to take it to the track without worrying about crash expenses! There is a guy here, I don't know what it does for a living but he has two Aprilia RSV4, one for track and one for the street!

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Sorry to hear about the spill, glad you're o'k.

Riding is what's important, bikes come and go- move on!
I've never crashed on the street, I've crashed countless times riding dirt bikes and at the track though. After every crash I instantly wanted to hop right back on and ride more! Feed the addiction, we all share a great hobby IMHO.

Sorry to hear about the spill, glad you're o'k.
Riding is what's important, bikes come and go- move on!
I've never crashed on the street, I've crashed countless times riding dirt bikes and at the track though. After every crash I instantly wanted to hop right back on and ride more! Feed the addiction, we all share a great hobby IMHO.

Yeah that's my motto. The way I see it, you have to take the good with the bad! In this case the bad with the good! I'm not patient person but this time around, I have no choice. I will be sending the ECU for a re-flash while I wait on an estimate. Hopefully, she'll be ready to go by spring.

I was serious about your thread on your CBR. I'm looking for a cheap track bike so I wanna see what you can do with the blade platform.

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I was serious about your thread on your CBR. I'm looking for a cheap track bike so I wanna see what you can do with the blade platform.

Well, mine is not going to be anywhere near "cheap" LOL But I'll put some stuff out there for you to check out asap.

The cheaper/ easier way to go is to just buy a built bike. A buddy is selling this:

http://weraclassifieds.com/ads/2009-yamaha-r1-race-bike/

* Last updated by: masszx14 on 1/29/2013 @ 4:08 PM *

Nice package but I need something I can ride on the street once in a while. You're right I'm going to be looking for build bikes when I'm done putting the 14 back together

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Dragking:

I'd like to try to learn something, to stand on your shoulders for a moment, if I may please.

I think what I've read so far indicates you do not ride with full TC3, and I'm guessing you did not turn it off, so.... you ride with TC1 setting, and full power, as the mode settings?

90 deg. left turn, approached at 45, leaned in entry at 30 "slow", cold pavement (I assume cold tires but you dont say).

Everythin's under control, feels good. I think you're on the gas exiting (before the tire breaks traction), and I'm assuming that does not mean WOT, but some reasonable measure of getting on the gas.

I dont think I've seen any writeup about the road surface conditions: sandy? wet leafy? mebbe frost?

The rear tire breaks traction while leaned in, grips again with no throttle chop (you've indicated this twice that I can find and I believe you. You can change your mind if you want) and you may be on the gas again at that point (I'm not able to make clear by the writing), and followed by high-side.

So, I'm interested in the potential interaction of some TC setting, with an unexpected surface change that causes a break in traction, with subsequent re-grip.

Without TC, a situation like that alomst invariably leads to a high side. They teach this in cycle kindergarten: "If you Lock the rear tire while breaking, do not unlock it." That's intended as an example, I'm not saying that's what happened, I'm just stating an example of an entry to a high side...

My point is, with some setting of TC, you can get this condition (it might have happened to you). The TC is supposed to help. Re-grip is supposed to be a good thing. Now, I'm not so sure.

I use TC. This cycle is my first sports bike. The cycle terrified (and exhilirated) me when I first rode it, and I stayed at TC3 for 6 months (call me a pussy, I dont care). I'm still at TC2. This wonderful tech has saved my bacon at least three times. At least... I'm not turning it off, or going back to TC3, but I *am* interested in potentially learning something about TC1 here...

Would some experts weigh in, please?

* Last updated by: mebgardner on 1/30/2013 @ 8:08 AM *

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It was drizzling and there was a railroad crossing style gate so I'm thinking possible oil residue. It took place about 2-3 miles max from the house and I was riding under the speed limit the whole tire. The rear tire was inflated to 38psi and the ambient temperature was about 45 degrees F. So cold tires and slippery surface. I have had little controllable slides before but to get into something like that you have two have at least two things go wrong in my opinion. In this case, cold tires plus slippery surface. I have ridden on PR3 in cold weather and also in the rain and they did amazing, combine the two and add some oil, I don't think any tire or TC can save you.

I have a 2006 ZX-14 so I don't have TC or ABS for that matter! I read your thread but I couldn't comment since I don't have a profound knowledge of the ZX-14 TC. I believe TC can save your butt if you're facing only one hazard: a little bit of sand, water, leaf or a very small amount of oil but so should careful riding and skills. TC has merits and I'm not totally against it, I just think that I should get on a track and learn how to safely and consistently slide a rear tire, know what it feels like when I'm about to loose the front etc. Then I'll have a better understanding of the amount of TC I need etc. It is also easy to fall in love with TC because every time you hear it kick in you think it saved you from crashing. For the street, I think ABS is more valuable than TC.

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Yep, you hit a greasy patch in the light rain, same thing that happened to me in 2011 although I was exitng the freeway at high speed when I went down.

I have literally, almost fallen down stopped at a stop light in light rain when I put my boot out and it slipped against oily, wet asphalt.

Watch intersections, stop lights, stop signs, roundabouts and those low speed curving freeway exit ramps where vehicles are moving slowly or stopped. They drip oil, antifreeze, grease, tranny fluid and who knows what else on to the pavement. Add light drizzle and it is a veritable witches brew. 30 minutes of hard rain and it's gone and traction is restored to a degree, still not to dry levels but much better.

I'm telling you, if it's raining, park that thing. I've been riding these things since the mid 1970's and both times I crashed was in light rain.

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I'm telling you, if it's raining, park that thing. I've been riding these things since the mid 1970's and both times I crashed was in light rain.

Funny you said that because I was telling myself I would ride in heavy rain if I have to but never again in light rain. It was drizzling enough just to make that oil patch resurface a little. I know it's not the tire because with PR3 you can achieve excellent lean angle in the wet. LOL Watch out for the drizzle my friends!

30 minutes of hard rain and it's gone and traction is restored to a degree, still not to dry levels but much better.

In the MSF class I think they said 15 min then you're kosher, either way, again, stay home when it's drizzling.

When I landed, I closed my eyes and started wiggling toes, fingers etc and when I found out everything was where it should be, I stood back on my feet and sported a huge smile behind my Corsair V smoked screen. The bike was the last of my worries. I ended up in the opposing lane of that street so to come out of that intact was a great feeling! My buddy from New York called me and we were talking about his dating prowesses and joking around (I parked the bike on the side of the road and sat on it), it's only after he finished his story that I told him I had an accident! My philosophy is that the bad always come with the good. Everywhere I go with the bike I have received compliments, guys rolling their window down just to say "NICE BIKE", girls smiling. I had a girl on a scooter wait for me outside the post office. When I came out she introduce herself and told me how she wanted to get a 250 ninja etc, or this other one who flashed me from her 230C Class. I should have gotten this bike before I got married LOL Then again it came out the year I got married LOL Now add to that the pleasure of riding fast, seeing scenery and meeting people from a sport rider perspective, it is obvious that spill was a little price to pay. Don't you agree?

Somebody asked if people stopped to help... I think I mentioned some construction workers who were remodeling a house just where I crashed. The came out about when I got back on my feet and put my bike on their trailer, they then followed the wife and I home and refused my offer to "buy them beer".
About ten cars went by before we left the scene and could you spot the broken windscreen and front cowling from a mile. I don't know if it was because I was smiling and laughing on the phone or maybe because they saw the full suit (crazy guy who like to go fast with noisy pipes in our neighborhood and therefore deserves his crash lol) but none of them stopped.

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Glad your ok,glad the Arai and gear worked for you ,now no more getting intimate with the pavement.Next time you go downtown make certain its on a woman

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Glad your ok,glad the Arai and gear worked for you ,now no more getting intimate with the pavement.Next time you go downtown make certain its on a woman

LOL copy that!

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I'm telling you, if it's raining, park that thing. I've been riding these things since the mid 1970's and both times I crashed was in light rain.

Heard, loud and clear.

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