If the quote is supposed to be describing Cblast, sorry, no offense Cblast, but I don't see a genius. I see a lot of hard work and time put into making the software work for his purpose, and maybe a talent for it, but it's way too early to throw the genius card. IMO
As far as Apple, overpriced, overrated, underpowered, outdated, and way too proprietary, doesn't say genius to me either. Maybe the marketing dept. The quote that comes to my mind when I think Apple, "There's a sucker born every minute". YMMV

The Cblast flash is the best flash I've had on my bike so far.It gives me the midrange grunt I like for passing.I don't care about times or track...though I think IF I was riding track...it would most definitely be a plus for the 14.I've had 3 other flashes on my bike(s).With very similar mods.They all performed very very good.To me...the powerband 'change' is what's kept me using C's flash.Noticeably different from all the others.It's a great flash for the 14.

How come every person who buys a C flash has nothing but positive things to say? I have never seen a negative review?

However people who do not own or run the flash. I've seen nothing but criticism and swipes.

W

"How come every person who buys a C flash has nothing but positive things to say? I have never seen a negative review?"

You know what they say Wolf...'if it walks like a duck...."

I'm not stupid.If it wasn't the best I've ever had...I'd ditch it....plain and simple.

How come every person who buys a C flash has nothing but positive things to say?

1. First time everyone who ran the GPS hack were praising the tre for the performance.
2. If you want to point out a negative, the turtle was laughing about a fixed 6th and then...
3... And then along came, 'We take safety measures' and that was ignored.
4. Then came Brock and buzzed a hack and buzzed a stock run and low and behold... 'They took measures' like a 2hp loss up top.

Conclusion?

a. My flash feels like a tuned up hack.
b. For some reason, Grn has a 1-N-2 shift he swings thru, and has a frequency glitch in his flash.
c. The praise of the tre/flash is one thing. The tre showed a drop in HP was the hack.
d. WATT is the difference I feel a slight bump in tre feel, but back to a HP loss?
e. And to find out if the flash can beat that stock ECU @ 8.6 is it?
F for we'll find out soon enough of that pass/fail we go tweaking away from stock.

The answer to that question is very simple. But what do thumbsuckers know?

A genius is a person who displays exceptional intellectual ability, creativity, or originality, typically to a degree that is associated with the achievement of an unprecedented leap of insight. This may refer to a particular aspect of an individual, or the individual in his or her entirety.

So yes. I did call call C and Nels genius.

And buddy we are not talking about a iPhone here we're talking about flashing bikes so let's not get off topic. The quote was chosen because of what I've seen and felt it applied IMO

"b. For some reason, Grn has a 1-N-2 shift he swings thru, and has a frequency glitch in his flash."...I have to clarify this...I have NOT tried the stock ECU and focused on this particular thing.It would be premature to say 'flashed ECU glitch'...we don't know that.Also....it COULD very well be ME who's causing it...my throttle application/shift speed,clutching action.I will put my stock ECU back in next ride and see if it occurs.(take my C flashed one with me as well...to put back in for the ride;)It may very well do this in EVERY gear change....I can try some personal combos to see.

I will say...ALL the flashes I've had have done this...every one of em.I wasn't looking for this with my stock ECU...it could very well be doing the same thing...we'll see;)One answer may be...have any of my flashes had any changes to the lowest rpm fueling/timing tables?This I don't know.And as I said before...it DOES NOT happen IF I don't hesitate to add throttle for accelerating. It's not a stumble.Feels like a microsecond of ignition kill.But only if I do as I mentioned.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 10/16/2014 @ 8:56 AM *

Here's the way I see it. I see this guy swapping out on mod after the other, from tires to windshields to slips to full pipe? From one flash to the next and it seems this guy is doing his homework and when Grn speaks...

So with the topics being addressed by Grn, it sounds like he went thru a few tires/shields/shocks/flashes. Watt am I missing? And I'm thinking, how come someone feels a 1-2 glitch in a flash and others have not picked up on that subtle move under them?

Now, I can only think that if you look at the map, there are red cell blocks in the lower rpm range> right were Grn points out a glitch. So if we use that red as kawi's kit-ECU maps, you move too far a number in a cell block, the far end of the grid line goes (+/-) in position if say the number is out of range it tells you in a plus/minus way.

Is there a way to know how far in the cell blocks did move out of range? No. So are the red blocks in the budda-boom-budda-bing-the 1-2-Ding!(?) Just guessing at that [frequency] glitch out, where to start chasing it, etc.

I never moved anything 'out of range', hub. Nels has tuned literally 10's of thousands of motorcycles. He and I have the dyno sheets to prove that. We don't flash 'stutters' into the ecu. This flash has been proven and tested on the dyno and on the track and street more exhaustively than any flash out there. Period. Show me another with our development work and the proof to back it up. When we dyno tune a machine for a customer, or build a flash, we test every aspect of it. A 'global' perspective of testing. If a customer had an issue due to something we did, we would address it immediately. But that is not the case here. We have the testing and the proof of that testing. We have reams of data logged on the street under all conditions from 102•f to 55•f. Afr at 200miles per hour as solid as it is at 3000rpm idling along. And the data and proof to show this. Just trying to make our position clear here. Not bashing a valid critique. The critique being sideways applied is invalid. And you have no frame of reference to bring it to bear. Now if Grn14 goes out rides, and says, 'yup, flash is causing a stutter', this would be addressed. We guarantee satisfaction and stand behind it.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 10/17/2014 @ 12:21 AM *

"how come someone feels a 1-2 glitch in a flash and others have not picked up on that subtle move under them?"...yup...you nailed it Hub;)I've wondered that same thing.If people are trying so hard to say'I spent my money on 'this or that'...and have 'something' that could be construed as...'negative'...maybe THAT's why no one mentions
small' things.Hell...I got a set of over 4K wheels...were they good?Yes...they are.Do you see me riding on em?No...you don't.Do I care what someone thinks of me spending that on something I don't choose to use right now?No,I don't.Doesn't mean they're poor wheels.Only means my preferences have changed.Hell...they'll change again I'm sure.

I like your answer about the frequency thing and all...it's very right.It could be that...or it could be just the engine/electrics and such factory way.IDK.Whatever it is...it's not so bad that I would be rushing to ream someone out for it being there...which it isn't all the time.So that leads me to suspect...it's ME causing it...not the setup(s).

Okay you guys...here's what I'm gonna do....to lay this to rest...I'm NOW gonna go out...install my factory ECU...replicate the shift(more than once)...and see what it does.I gotta say...this little 'phenomenon' most likely will not happen with your 'guy just wanting to ride his bike'.Not that I'm not that guy...but I think honestly it's just me and the particulars of how I'm shifting and fueling at this one window of changing gears and throttling.Seriously.Most guys I doubt would shift this way at this speed from 1st to second.I don't think it could be classified as...'a normal shifting technique'...it's NOT aggressive at all.Far from it.IT never occurs when I'm moving up smartly through 1st to second and on.

It's like in the same category as...decel popping.Certain throttling moves in certain downshifting scenarios creates 'more' or 'less' popping.I've tried many different 'techniques'(experiments if you will)..to see if I could change the behavior of this popping deal.I found...I CAN.Depending on how I downshift...what engine speed...how much velocity I'm moving.All that.And i found as others have...it changes with those things going on.I can ride a popping motorcycle my whole ride if I choose to do it a certain way.And just the opposite.I can ride all day and nary get a pop.What's changed?ME...that's what.There's nothing wrong with the bike.Or the flash...or anything else.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 10/16/2014 @ 9:35 AM *

I believe C.He knows what he's doing,and Nels.

I certainly didn't mean to start a controversy thread.Probably would have been better judgement had I not said anything at all...?It's really no big deal...the flash is NOT 'defective'..I'm convinced it's NOT the flash.

Okay...so I'm out the door now...to run this factory ecu as is....will post up shortly:)

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 10/16/2014 @ 9:41 AM *

Okay... it's NOT the flash...the factory ECU does the same thing.I just never noticed it before...it takes a particular type of shifting/fueling action to have it occur...something most wouldn't probably do anyway.C's flash is NOT causing it....well done C;)

The more I own this bike...the 14 family I mean...the more I realize...there are SO MANY variables at any given point in riding...from start up...to warmup...to driving it..that it's extremely hard to point out one thing and say...'THIS is wrong"...and some things of course...are right in yer face...can't be anything else BUT what's being presented.This ECU deal is one of those things that fits the former issue....my bike at this test time was 135 degrees engine temp.Would it do this at...say...175?IDK.I'll experiment as I go along.SO MANY VARIABLES...but this clearly shows the ECU flash isn't at fault....

Romes played with my sons Ecu on the 07, bottom end is much more responsive, very , very nice,my 2012 is not flashed, has a SWB.I wouldn't mind running a flashed 14R to see the outcome,I think I still remember how to launch and shift

Without trying to search Grns 10000+ posts what is his 1-2 shift glitch?

Romes played with my sons Ecu on the 07, bottom end is much more responsive...

Let me try to justify why 'The Hand' makes the attempt. The french model had intake boots with restricted openings. A simple western v-stack and poof, unrestricted times 1 step. I don't want to run the 02 euro as step 2, I want to establish we pulled the v-stacks and seat of the pants change it is.

I can only go by the parts manual it says, FULL as if to say full hp and 120 pounds of torque is full or the preset. Is that off the crank or engine? Who cares, Cblast shows 118 pounds. I am back to 2hp lost when Brock hit the tre hit. My math and formula do not mix so how much torque makes 1hp in proportion to the gen model say.

Lets get back to 'played with' and no matter watt resister you used, you still received the same locked-6 or locked-N, depending on the wire hit. I wiped out my old vids so I cannot recall if the 6 caused the 16.5a (no pop = more fuel on lift) or was it the N hit? It didn't matter with my subs removed so I could use both wire hits at the same time.

But back to it one more time, my played with flash feels like a clean tre hit with some bottom grunt to it. Now, to match every other flash hit, I think I groomed the hair follicles enough to feel an assfactor hit among the flashes. Show me the AFR and I'll show you smooth-trimmy hit-lean is mean and that's 3 moves in the AFR I add fuel to this mini grunt of a flash, yes, somewatt stronger a tre hit, but something is missing like?

And that's where The Hand clears this all up... That flash for flash, Don/C/Romes all act the tre hit is the limp [I sort of feel]?

Hubs,
To not appreciate a good tune on a motorcycle and only notice a boost in performance presupposes a few things about the rider:

First it suggests this rider has not owned several bikes with years of experience. This same rider has limited experience understanding how different motorcycles put out torque and put down power. This rider has not spent many years on different liter and hypersport platforms.

Second it suggests the rider has not ridden several zx 14r's and has sampled what other bikes are doing, (so far I've ridden 3, mine and two other cats that belong here). Both bikes were very well set up!

Third, it suggests the owner does not know anything about motorcycles, nor does this same operator push the performance limits. This rider is not a hooligan, drag racer, or a skilled racer. This rider is a yutz that lugs the 14r commuter mule to work.

Unfortunately many of us have all three points covered and we run the C flash. So if I run this flash, I think I understand and appreciate what the bike is doing when I street assault. This is not our first rodeo, this is not our first performance tune, and for me personally I had my bike dyno tuned with a PC 5. I currently ride the CFlash and have since day one. I must be crazy and I need confirmation from others to validate what is good and what is not. Right? Ehhh no.

So before we say a rider cannot appreciate a good tune, because they notice a performance enhancement and not the quality of that performance enhancement, is I think an arrogant assumption about that rider's experience and skill. It is the same limited thinking that puts "experts" in situations where there assessment has credence and bearing, particularly when that assessment should always arrive from the owner of the machine.

C does not build this tune on a butt dyno, nor does he manipulate cells on a screen boasting a lab coat. He does not tune mopeds, yamaha's or Honda's. He tunes the zx 14r, and no one out there focuses primarily on one bike, then straps 7000 dollars worth of data log equipment to the bike (see pic page 1), then goes to the dyno and collaborates with a skilled tuner, then rides the flash, then returns to the dyno and then takes screen shots of the process, takes videos and then posts charts. SO WHAT DID HE PROVE??? No other "tuner" stands behind a product and says, if you don't like it let me know. Not to simplify the need to make things clear, this is where the reference to Steve Jobs comes from, i.e. a man who developed an idea and was a razor edge innovator in his approach. He did, what others could not. It forced many technologes to innovate to stay competitive. I type this on one of his applications.

Please show me someone who exclusively develops such a flash. Because so far the man that is doing it, is getting criticized by people who do not run his flash and by people who see something new and challenge it due to "assumptions." He is also being criticized by people who do not like his perspective on piggy backs. He is also challenged by people who are afraid of change, and unfortunately by people who don't like him or his friendship circle and hail criticisms to hurt him.

I have read a great deal of chirp, chirp, chirp, and not enough of ride, ride, ride.

The day of the pencil, notebook, and butt dyno are over Hubs...
We measure fun by the butt, and measure performance by the dyno...
We are into e next generation as you elloquantly stated on the HP 2 sub thread.

I think C has stopped responding because all the evidence needed to make an informed choice have been presented on Page One. I do notice he responds when someone pokes holes at his workmanship and integrity. C does not move barrels of cash into his garage, drives a BMW M5, or takes his family to lavish diners. He loves to tune a motorcycle in a way, that leaves the operator in awe.

My name is Wolfman, I am a Nation Brother, and a disciple of the 14r. Yup, C is a friend, yup I like him.
I also call em, like I seem em, I look you in the eyes, I speak my truth and I don't back down when I see something that is not correct. Many people in my life circle have a problem with that straight up mentality. I am a man, not a wilting flower, staring at a screen, making stupid remarks behind a key board. If I have an issue, I generally prefer to solve it man to man. I hope you Hubs can appreciate my fine no bs palate and we can stay friends.

Wolfman out.
ou

* Last updated by: Wolfman on 10/17/2014 @ 1:16 PM *

"As far as top speed Shanes bike was faster same day same track .. So what did you Prove ?"

I like to speak of this statement.
That's comparing apples to oranges.
My bike was basically stock with a Brock pipe and cblast ecu running Sunoco regular gas.
While
Shane's bike was faster with Rachel on board. Who is experienced and a VERY good pilot!!
Rachel's personal 14R could not get batter then 201.
This was my first time at any form of racing though I have been riding for 44 years.
I hand shifted while she foot shifted.
Shane's bike is NOT stock. Starting with carbon fiber wheels(Love em), larger throttle bodies, and MR12 race fuel and not sure what else.
Again Shane has been doing this for a while and is VERY knowledgeable and good at what he does.
So I am pleased and impressed My bike did 208.1 with so little work.
I can say
A Cblast modified ecu does NOT suck!!!

* Last updated by: capt10ed on 10/17/2014 @ 7:28 AM *

I must have missed the part where some one said Cblast Flash sucked ...

Can some one tell me on fuel only, how much more detail can the flash adjust over PC5?double,triple,50%,100% k

C has nothing more to say is right. It all comes down to one "Hand" unplugging one black box for another.

Wolfy, I could probably say that there are not may 14 owners that hacked into the bike 9 different ways, 9 different tunes. You are just a [as you put it] a yutz that rides to work on a one hit wonder. I don't think you have 4 pc maps on the fly sort of speak to tell what AFR tunes the best and who needs a dyno if the work is in-house and is not for public consumption.

I've been hacking the computer bike since 2006 and it's been one brand, one model only. I take that back. The ape took a few hits. So I see a constancy between models. Here is the wrinkle. Let's say we are not talking about a flash but a tre. If you heard the boasting about this hack of a limp, I was stating that the factory takes precautions and Brock showed a 2hp drop in power via an induced backup.

At that point I was knocking on the black box door trying to get in. I bought a Wooly setup so the door opened and now watt I see are frequencies and if you are off by a wave? So as I flashed my box, took a ride, watt I have determined is a cleaned up limp that has grunt at a certain location. The same feel as if a tre under me.

That is why I feel [don't take offense to dis] that it's too tre-cloudy when too many tre comments boasted the "limp." So a stock bike is hitting 8.6 and that is the limpissing all over that number is what the outcome will be. So, either we see the better frequency between boxes or we are back to a hit and miss limp action where the OE is going to clean your clock is the Tune.

So subjectively you are convinced. Objectively, you're too cloudy-speak in the tre of it. Your ass is tuning a difference, butt have you hacked into the bike? No. Have you attempted to tune or change a cell on a pc? No. Are you in this 'no need for a pig' camp and if we are taking about a tune-tune... No offense, but sit this one out. No one is saying the flash is anything at this point.

This flashing is too much of a tre talk so once 'The Hand' clears this up... Why post at all? There is nothing here for you. Your sold, sit down, other flashes out there and there is only one tre hit no matter the resistor. Did that compute in the analogy of it?

Piece a processor together and you have 'adders' and subtracters' that are going to flip-flop the math and the truth tables accept or reject the math. That +/- factor is all about frequency says kit-ECU. Have you messed with the kit-ECU, Wolfy? I'll say no you haven't.

Take a rest, cloudy. You're not helping we look at it as a tre. Make sense?