Ok, lets say I rip it all out and go full Holley setup, bike still has no knock sensor,

and you be wrong

bike is still incapable of learning timing in the closed loop.

you be wrong again

this is the feature of the cheapest holley ECU

THERE BE OTHER ECU'S TOO if this one doesn't do everything you want but its still leaps and bounds better than a factory ecu with a bunch of dynojet piggy back junk added onto it.

this is for the hard headed bike guys that i have done gave up trying to explain this too THAT FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY I CAN HAVE THIS OR A FACTORY ECU WITH A BUNCH OF PIGGY BACK CRAP that takes up all the room under the seat .

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* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 8/20/2016 @ 7:16 AM *

Two channel knock control sensor Inputs for both one or two wire knock sensors

Ok, take me to school. I have a zx14 in front of you. Where is this input coming from,,,, 3 Pin connector goes where ?

if this one doesn't do everything you want but its still leaps and bounds better than a factory ecu with a bunch of dynojet piggy back junk added onto it.

Agree. I want it but it but my direction was already full underway when this came out. drooling over it wasn't helping me. Now if I started all over would I be making more power,,,, ans is still no. 1200 plus plus plus gone.

I would love love Love get this for my car.

would I be making more power

i don't know you got any time slips other than ass dyno

Ok, take me to school. I have a zx14 in front of you. Where is this input coming from,,,, 3 Pin connector goes where ?

•Two channel knock control sensor Inputs for both one or two wire knock sensors

it goes where the pins are allotted for the knock sensor on the holley ECU duh!!!!

or if thats to hard you ask this guy and use the support mps holley

his bike with the holley

It is the quickest fuel injected Pro Mod in the USA running 4.04 with a Holley Dominator EFI!

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 8/20/2016 @ 8:53 AM *

i don't know you got any time slips other than ass dyno

Now Now Bad, If you remember way back, you were the one that got me into all this. Maybe without knowing it but I think your opening line started off with "You Slow Fuckers" LOL. loved that one.

Now What grew from that first taste of Booosssst has cost me in excess of 200 Grand. With that being said you know I'm not cheap. 90% of the time when new tech shows up I get it as it is my hobby. In this case I had nothing to gain. I can do all that is needed with what I have. Now if bragging rights is what we're after here ya sure Holley setup is better. But if most definitely not needed.

Bad, Now if memory serves,,,, you had Auto Tune PCV as well ? Did you make the upgrade to a New ECU or you just like it. Any Pics ????

Bad, Now if memory serves,,,, you had Auto Tune PCV as well ? Did you make the upgrade to a New ECU or you just like it. Any Pics

my streetbike is closed loop and i love it
my race bike is still pcv autotune with pod300 on e85 and runs 1 second slower than MPS bike with a 800lb package . does that say anything you slow fukker LMAO

and i have several friends running the holley or megasquirts or haltech ECU'S the advantages are huge .

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 8/20/2016 @ 9:02 AM *

does that say anything you slow fukker LMAO

Lol, never gets old.

my race bike is still pcv autotune with pod300

Same as the rest of us here. So why no Holly set up?

Same as the rest of us here. So why no Holly set up?

i'm lazy now a days .

but if i ever build another race bike it will be standalone ECU like i said my street zx14 is a closed loop system . how many closed loop zx14 are in the world you think

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 8/20/2016 @ 9:41 AM *

I'm sitting back absorbing all of this but haven't any info to add to the topic. The 14 already has the full Dj package and I'm not about to start replacing mods unless they wear out or fail. The busa is Bazazzed with AFM and Z-FI self tuning system. If it wasn't, I would definitely consider an aftermarket ECU. That sounds like it would be the same sort of process as flashing except you are doing the flashing to the aftermarket ECU with that same companies software. Sounds like that would put Woolich out of business especially if aftermarket ECUs and matching software is cheaper than Woolich. The only reason I'm skeptical just a little bit is that you hear about Woolich all the time. I haven't heard Holly mentioned since the late 70s when they made carburetors.

The only reason I'm skeptical just a little bit is that you hear about Woolich all the time.

BIKE GUYS ARE MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO and anything new is scary or it cost to much . but they have no issues giving brock $1200.00 for a pipe then 400.00 for a PCV and gain 10hp at best . like I said I gave up long ago on bike guys getting smart
car guys would say who tha fukk is woolich when you ask about ECU'S. AND CARS HAVE WAY BETTER ELECTRONICS THAN ANY BIKE !!!!!

but all I'm saying is there are better ways to tune a bike then the same old shit that really isn't good at tuning at all. but its the most popular in the bike world .

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 8/20/2016 @ 10:29 PM *

Dyna ign [self contained] off an old honda cb750, w/flat slides.
The cup off a harley ign, the VOES, and use their black box, w/smooth bores.

BIKE GUYS ARE MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO and anything new is scary or it cost to much .

You're winning me over, 1bad. I'd try the aftermarket ECU rout if a thorough investigation of the published info looked favorable. I'm going to have to wait for the next bike now though. money's already spent.

Dyna ign [self contained] off an old honda cb750, w/flat slides.

i've seen some modern day bikes with this setup. grudge bikes wanting to shed weight. i've seen a gsxr with this setup and it hit the scales at 350lbs . under 500lbs with rider pushing 270 hp on motor with 200 shot.

Back to the tuning. Does the power setting affect the tuning. In other words is it better to tune with F and off?
If I ride in F and 1 all the time, will it be better to tune for F and 1?

i'm lazy now a days .
but if i ever build another race bike it will be standalone ECU like i said my street zx14 is a closed loop system . how many closed loop zx14 are in the world you think

Bad correct me I'm wrong here.

Ok, Wide Band, Auto tune setup runs closed Loop.

Bazzzzazzz or how ever it's spelled it runs closed Loop.

So nothing new here with closed loop.

Now Bazazz reads o2 sensor 6 times a second from what I remember and makes adjustments.

Dyno jet Reads 10 times a second and makes adjustments.

Zeitronix reads 75 times a second ????but does not run closed Loop

So,, playing Devil's advocate here if I produced a reading of 13.5 for you ten times or six times a second who really gives a shit?????? it's still 13.5 is it not ?

All the fancy ECu's do what,,,, I still need 13.5. All this high dollar ECU talk is just a money grab for the fish willing to bite. 13.5 is 13.5 I don't care who or what system gives it to me I Need 13.5 Simple now lets go get it.

Now with todays tech If I read o2 sensor 75 times with Zeitronix my bike is only a rolling Data Logger,,, "Yawn" Which is why I don't already run Woolich Auto tune. Better sniff but shows up to late to the game. Way tooooo late for me.
Stop the bike Reflash every time,,,, ??? I don't think so. Not for this guy. Boost plays for keeps.

I need closed loop. Now If this were a pot on my circuit boards at work I would turn the sensitivity down as the last 02 sniff I would bet is wrong and reading is based on throttle lift AFR readings. To many reads.

Now I may be stirring up shit here but if it was better I would already have it,,,I know you guys know this about me. Now for all the guys tuning here what these guys are using to get there 13.5 is all they will ever need.

Once again learn to get your bikes AFR in line with your fuel, Your elevation with today's air and you will need no one.

If you're building a perfect Race bike, A open ECU is a must. This is a entirely a different subject.

Back to the tuning. Does the power setting affect the tuning. In other words is it better to tune with F and off?
If I ride in F and 1 all the time, will it be better to tune for F and 1?

Always better in F Traction control off.

Here's my question, does yin yang? If I change fuel, does ing change too, even if you do not pull up the ign map. So in a balance of 'here is more fuel' where are we sparking that way before the OE map would have it. Make sense?

Bad correct me I'm wrong here.

Ok, Wide Band, Auto tune setup runs closed Loop.

Bazzzzazzz or how ever it's spelled it runs closed Loop.

no your wrong PCV and bazzaz are open loop . there is no close loop systems other than a stand alone ecu for most motorcycles BMW runs a closed loop system . closed loop vs open loop THIS NOT THE BEST EXPLANATION but its close

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 8/21/2016 @ 8:40 PM *

Here's my question, does yin yang? If I change fuel, does ing change too, even if you do not pull up the ign map. So in a balance of 'here is more fuel' where are we sparking that way before the OE map would have it. Make sense?

just like the new cars .no matter what fuel you put in the tank E85 or 87 pump gas it knows what to do with it without getting a laptop to adjust the map.

If you're building a perfect Race bike, A open ECU is a must. This is a entirely a different subject.

That statement right there says all the stupid that anybody needs to know of your understanding of fueling!!!!

You go find me 1 pro street bike running open loop factory ecu's and Winning!!!!!

no your wrong PCV and bazzaz are open loop . there is no close loop systems other than a stand alone ecu for most motorcycles BMW runs a closed loop system . closed loop vs open loop

just like the new cars .no matter what fuel you put in the tank E85 or 87 pump gas it knows what to do with it without getting a laptop to adjust the map.

If I leave my house with a AFR reading of 17 AFR Auto tune will fix it while I ride to a AFR of 13.5.

This is closed loop. I have a 02 sensor in play adjusting fuel for me. I do not have to Send new map.

closed Loop

"For a TPI, or any other similar electronically controlled system, to function in the closed loop mode, there MUST be an oxygen sensor in the system".

Romans for the win lol

If you're building a perfect Race bike, A open ECU is a must. This is a entirely a different subject.

That statement right there says all the stupid that anybody needs to know of your understanding of fueling!!!!

You go find me 1 pro street bike running open loop factory ecu's and Winning!!!!!

Read the above again. Open means open to programming.

just like the new cars .no matter what fuel you put in the tank E85 or 87 pump gas it knows what to do with it without getting a laptop to adjust the map.

We don't either ?

Bad I know you must know all this,,,whatcha up to here ?

If I leave my house with a AFR reading of 17 AFR Auto tune will fix it while I ride to a AFR of 13.5.

This is closed loop. I have a 02 sensor in play adjusting fuel for me. I do not have to Send new map.

closed Loop

there is no way you got a closed loop system from dynojet . your full of shit !!! they don't make it . in order for your auto tune to change fuel values you must get map then accept trim then send map .

unless you got some other device tuning your bike

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 8/21/2016 @ 8:44 PM *

We don't either ?

Bad I know you must know all this,,,whatcha up to here ?

NO YOU DON'T
do it i double dog dare you

see what happens when you hit full throttle

you can not be that dumb

THIS IS WHY IS SAID i give up trying to tell bike guys how to do anything

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 8/21/2016 @ 8:48 PM *

there is no way you got a closed loop system from dynojet . your full of shit !!! they don't make it . in order for your auto tune to change fuel values you must get map then accept trim then send map .
unless you got some other device tuning your bike

Well Bad not sure what to tell you here but how did you think Auto tune worked ?

Ok, lets play a game here, you run the same software we do. Plug in -20% at idle. Do nothing and watch auto tune fix it. Do it now. will only take a minute then you owe pints Lol

NO YOU DON'T
do it i double dog dare you

see what happens when you hit full throttle

you can not be that dumb

Well sounds like we are all dumb. Auto tune Auto Tunes. Watch Rooks video.