Well Bad not sure what to tell you here but how did you think Auto tune worked ?

Ok, lets play a game here, you run the same software we do. Plug in -20% at idle. Do nothing and watch auto tune fix it. Do it now. will only take a minute then you owe pints Lol

i know what auto tune is ,

like i said put e85 in your pump gas bike and go for a ride.

get back to me with the results

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Well sounds like we are all dumb. Auto tune Auto Tunes. Watch Rooks video.

you said a mouthful there

what auto tune does is give you a recommended fuel value based of your trim settings to send to the PCV. period

if you do not send those values to your PCV then those fuel settings will not get there automatically

call dynojet or read your instructions

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 8/21/2016 @ 8:55 PM *

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i know what auto tune is ,
like i said put e85 in your pump gas bike and go for a ride.
get back to me with the results

What AFR would you like ?

your picking the wrong fight. I gotcha here. Tap Out.

what your supposed to say to beat me is Dyno -jet software to to slow to tune Fast rising RPM for turbocharged motorcycles. Then you are back in the game

you said a mouthful there
what auto tune does is give you a recommended fuel value based of your trim settings to send to the PCV. period
if you do not send those values to your PCV then those fuel settings will not get there automatically
call dynojet or read your instructions

They will not make any changes to your fuel map. But they will show you what changes they are making while you ride. This is your trims. Excepting and writing to the map is up to you ? Make sense ??? Think as if you were the computer,,,very simple. Two pints you owe now lol

dynojet instructions for auto tune

listen real close AND CAREFULLY to what dynojet is saying at the 4 minute mark on how you get your new adjustments to your base map on your PCV

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They will not make any changes to your fuel map. But they will show you what changes they are making while you ride. This is your trims. Excepting and writing to the map is up to you ? Make sense ??? Think as if you were the computer,,,very simple. Two pints you owe now lol

SO how in the HELL is that auto tuning your PCV map as you are riding.

YOUR CAR does its changes while your driving and makes the correct AFR to your ECU in real time that is closed loop

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 8/21/2016 @ 9:05 PM *

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listen real close AND CAREFULLY to what dynojet is saying at the 4 minute mark on how you get your new adjustments to your base map on your PCV

Bad I Luv ya Buddy but understand this there is no winning this one. you now owe me three pints. Tap Please I'm having to much fun. Wife thinks I'm crazy laughing at a computer screen.

Bad I Luv ya Buddy but understand this there is no winning this one. you now owe me three pints. Tap Please I'm having to much fun. Wife thinks I'm crazy laughing at a computer screen.

talking to drunks like winning the special Olympics

but i do want to see you put E85 into your pump gas bike and let auto tune fix your AFR'S while your riding ..

ps take your cell phone with you .. gonna need it to call tow truck

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 8/21/2016 @ 9:10 PM *

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talking to drunks like winning the special Olympics

I won't be drinking until you pay up. If you keep going you will soon owe me a case. I'm a Canadian, we only bet beer so there is no hard feelings,,,,

but i do want to see you put E85 into your pump gas bike and let auto tune fix your AFR'S while your riding ..
ps take your cell phone with you .. gonna need it to call tow truck

Bad read back. Like was saying go into your garage and fuck up your own idle AFR. Watch your own bike fix itself. What ever AFR is in your table is what your bike will run in seconds.

Now you do this for me and I will go fuck something up for you, Deal ???

But no matter what you come up with I WIN LOL.

For a Hard core drag racer like yourself that's gotta suck. sorry I couldn't help it.

Anyway this is Easy. To many convince theses guys it hard tune but the truth is a they all can do it. I will do whatever it takes to teach the ones who want to learn how. They need no one, just the tools.

Rooks started a good thread, I know we are now fucking it up. I will drop it,,,,but you still owe lol

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I won't be drinking until you pay up. If you keep going you will soon owe me a case. I'm a Canadian, we only bet beer so there is no hard feelings,,,,

i didn't lose

i think i finally got you to understand auto tune is not real time AFR adjustments to your base map

but my holley on my street bike i can piss in my fuel tank and it will build my new base map instantly . like if i never changed fuels .

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Bad read back. Like was saying going in your garage and fuck up your idle AFR. Watch your own bike fix itself. Waht AFR is in your table is what your bike will run in seconds.

your wrong again

no wonder your junk can't run

you can not tune "idle" or is it recommended to tune "idle" with auto tune
GO read your dynojet instructions again

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 8/21/2016 @ 9:24 PM *

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i didn't lose

Yes you did. Four pints now or five, losing count.

Yes you did.

ONLY in ur mind

my run ticket says winner on the bottom in my lane

plus my win light was on too

i think you red light and stalled the bike and pushed it back onto the trailer cussing all they way on how bad you sux

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 8/21/2016 @ 9:28 PM *

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your wrong again
no wonder your junk can't run

you can not tune "idle" or is it recommended to tune "idle" with auto tune
read your dynojet instructions again

OMG Bad,,,, yes u can Five Beers. It's only a test for you to learn what's in your bike. Set a AFR in your table and then watch the software make it live in front of you. It's NOT a trick,,, just do it, what's the big deal ? I'm NOT Fucking with you I swear.

ONLY in ur mind

my run ticket says winner on the bottom in my lane

Maybe on your ticket but this hacker just kicked your Ass all over this computer screen. DO THE TEST AND ADMIT ,,,, then send mix 6 Beers

OMG Bad,,,, yes u can Five Beers. It's only a test for you to learn what's in your bike. Set a AFR in your table and then watch the software make it live in front of you. It's NOT a trick,,, just do it, what's the big deal ? I'm NOT Fucking with you I swear.

com 'on romans

put the crack pipe down

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com 'on romans
put the crack pipe down

LMAO,,,

Good night Guys, talk in the morning. 5 AM comes Early.

DO THE TEST AND ADMIT

thats not a test

its stupidity or insanity of dumb bike guys thinking auto tune really auto tunes all by itself

dynojet gave it the false name to fool people like you to thinking it auto tunes your base map automatically

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...well--ahem, 1bad is right about one thing for sure, Autotune doesn't tune automatically. You do have to accept the trims. Whether you call that closed or open loop, I don't see this as being a negative. There are problems with trims that are calculated during backward throttle movement, deceleration and of course the fuel dump zone. If there was a system that could make adjustments constantly and perfectly accurate under all running conditions, I'd be up for that as long as it was affordable. If it costs a lot more, I'd stick with Dj even though Dj is one extra step. An autotuner that made changes without human intervention would have to be totally reliable. I've already accepted trims I knew had to be wrong and they mounted up run after run. If I didn't intervene and those trims added fuel every few seconds, i would have had a mess in no time. Having to look at the data and edit manually has also been very educational. When you get into boost, you want to have a firm grasp of what tuning is and maybe not leave that all up to the computers.

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...and my Dj stuff is already purchased! Oh gads, Bazazz is only 6x/second?? Guess the busa will take twice as many runs. Stuffs all bought for that bike as well. I need a new bike so I can try a Holly ECU! ZX-10 would be nice. I'll be an expert tuner by the time that day comes.

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just like the new cars .no matter what fuel you put in the tank E85 or 87 pump gas it knows what to do with it without getting a laptop to adjust the map.

I think we are talking time vs degree of fire. You fire late, no time to burn all the fuel if rich is the mix. Make sense theory wise?

That statement right there says all the stupid that anybody needs to know of your understanding of fueling!!!!
You go find me 1 pro street bike running open loop factory ecu's and Winning!!!!!

Closed loop 02:
It is my understanding that the 02 is heated (4-5 wire) or is slow to heat up and then sends a signal (1 wire) and has a limited voltage range of between 0.1v to 0.9v or less than a volt. There is a DTT system that occurs as the 02 reaches a 2/3rd magnetic flipflop is the fucking drop, hello? Are we on the same page yet? Fuck that closed and open explanation. It's a fucking timer and clicks off like a fucking clock 60hz... the fuck! So there is no closing/opening shit going on. It's numbers vs. heat sensors for fueling. The colder the number, the richer the charge. Then shit heats up as the input heats to a normal condition, i.e., the radi temp sensor levels out and didn't the ECU keep clicking off a 14.7 steady as she goes? Read your AFR meter morning start anshit. You find me a pro street bike fucking with a stock ECU, and one wire is touched, I'll show you limp... unless you can change the ign curve.

So there is no turning off of some some open to closed looping. I write the numbers on the map, the AFR is spitting out that number. That's open loop. If I want my 02 set to a richer target, then I change my map to this target. If I can program a 14.7, then the map and the math says I can DTT to 13a and change. Unless the 02 is a self DTTing tool, or said another way, if your same (.01 - .9v range of) 02 input is being used, then it is going to fuck things up.

That says I remove a sensor, 'limp' occurs. If I use a wide band 02, a black box that sets the AFR, are we more or less back to a pc? And the wide band is just a delayed x-ray machine showing the spent lung. Romes wins the argument. The bike's ECU uses binary speak. The holley uses binary, pc, any black box. You're not seeing it, bad. The bike is set two ways only.

02: Full or limp.
APS: Full or limp.
PC: Open loop...APS still connected.
02 connected if factory ECU: No can tune.
02 Limp: Now can tune... w/holley ign maps... Can no longer change fueling reaching different altitudes... missing sensor being out of the loop. Therefore, you run rich as the air expands or is less compressed as would be at sea level.

Since some 02 WAS in the loop, are we on the same page yet?

Proceed with the pc tune, Rooksteer. Say the AFR on the chart is above the 13a range of the pc's straight [ideal target] line. That's lean; if the line is above the 13a line. So you could find the X to Y at that area, richen the cells by dragging the mouse over a few blocks and click to richen. It's been awhile, but are we correct we tackle it this way?

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dynojet gave it the false name to fool people like you to thinking it auto tunes your base map automatically

My understanding is that Autotune adjusts fueling as I'm riding however to make it permanent on the base map I have to send the trims to the map. If I don't accept trims, Autotune will still make changes based on the AFR target set in the base map and what the O2 sensor is sending back vs the % lean/rich parameters set in, just wont send them as permanent.
Did I get it all wrong??

you can not tune "idle" or is it recommended to tune "idle" with auto tune
GO read your dynojet instructions again

I must admit that Dynojet instructions sometimes leave a lot to be desired. I had an issue with my idling not settling and then contacted DJ, and their advice was to change AFR in the idling cells until it smoothed out. must admit not sure if its right or wrong, but works like a charm now.

In my case (like Rook) I'm looking for a relatively simple to understand system that works for my street bike in my riding conditions and the occasional track day with a little bit of fun on a breakfast run. This is where autotune works for me. Don't know Bazzaz very well, but they claim you can tune your bike in a few laps at the race track. However I think its more data logging than autotune.

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.well--ahem, 1bad is right about one thing for sure, Autotune doesn't tune automatically.

This statement is very wrong.

I can see I have my work cut out for me here. Rook I will teach you. In front of your own eyes Auto will make changes in your AFR.

My understanding is that Autotune adjusts fueling as I'm riding however to make it permanent on the base map I have to send the trims to the map. If I don't accept trims, Autotune will still make changes based on the AFR target set in the base map and what the O2 sensor is sending back vs the % lean/rich parameters set in, just wont send them as permanent.
Did I get it all wrong??

No sir, you are not wrong. In fact you are bang on. I will write a test for you all when I get home. AFR is Live.

All who have the software can use this test to convince them selves as need B.

Romes wins the argument.

Yes sir. I blame Dyno-Jet for being a shity teacher. I will provide simple way for testing you all use.